To start with, don't understand why you are commenting on this thread.And is HT house trained??
Oh, and by the way, sod off, we realize that your "lol" is a pish take.And is HT house trained??
I agree. I think the economy will suffer but i do believe it will be short term or till we prove we can stand alone. To be honest no one knows what will happen if we leave the problem is we all know what will happen if we stay in and that is why i will vote out. If the crash is anything to go by the only real people who suffered were the rich as they lost more than the poor. All the people i know just got on with it and did not notice we were in a recession, they still went out, still went on holidays and still bought what the needed. I remember when mortgage rates were 15% 1986 and wages did not match. The trouble is we have had it very good these last 10 years with low mortgages and higher wages.Well my main concerns are for the future economy - housing, NHS and education. We already have a housing shortage, the NHS is at breaking point (well broken actually) and placement in the education system is a joke. So if we stay in and immigration / migration continues to the figures they talking of by 2020 (equivalent to 3 more Birmingham's), how are we going to fund the above? that's without the increase in policing, emergency services, benefits etc etc.
The problem is the expected influx of people into GB wont bring any significant input into the economy, just a drain. I'm thinking of my children and grandchildren here and I fear for their futures. I don't know if my reasoning is right and I don't know if my vote decision is right, its a gut feeling, so I'm for out.
I feel exactly the same but that's the reason I'm voting in. We've never had is as good in my lifetime.I agree. I think the economy will suffer but i do believe it will be short term or till we prove we can stand alone. To be honest no one knows what will happen if we leave the problem is we all know what will happen if we stay in and that is why i will vote out. If the crash is anything to go by the only real people who suffered were the rich as they lost more than the poor. All the people i know just got on with it and did not notice we were in a recession, they still went out, still went on holidays and still bought what the needed. I remember when mortgage rates were 15% 1986 and wages did not match. The trouble is we have had it very good these last 10 years with low mortgages and higher wages.
I believe the Governments could of done better by increasing taxes to all to pay off the deficit over a short term then we would be in a better position.
Far too cheap Grumps, you'll soon have an artic load pulling up to stay with you at that rate mate.Your welcome to come and live with @jue1 and myself h/t. We have a lovely 8x4 shed behind the carport, you'd be more than welcome to rent it...... £50 a week!
It's OK. If we exit it will be the end of he UK. Scotland has already said they will separate cos they want to stay in EUDutch PM vows retaliation against Britain if a Brexit vote produces tough new rules on immigrant workers and warns it would be 'bad news' for both sides
Well, looks like I am having to go and live with @Grumpy or @t-tony, would go and live at @miller1098's but they won't let me into Wales....
Now that I think we can all agree on
Leaving the EU will pretty much stop all work on electronics and put many Indies out of business. The EU put in place open access to technical data used in diagnostic equipment. If we leave then that open access is removed and equipment manufacturers will no longer be allowed to use that data in the UK (even if they can still do so elsewhere - it all down to licence to use just like software). You will be forced back to the dealer network. That will make yet more cars beyond economic repair. Bye bye to many Zeds then.We have a Vicar bring his Morris Minor in at work and the young lad at work (22) is lost on it, and that's no put down, just a sign of the times. I feel lost on modern cars that you have to "plug in" to see what's wrong. But, the other side of that is that sometimes people forget that the "infernal" fuel "infected" engines still have to work on the same old principals of, suck, squeeze, bang and blow, same as they always have and always will.
Tony.
I don't think leaving the EU will have that effect. If the manufacturers want to sell new cars then they have to make sure that there aren't too many barriers to sale. The secondhand car market is too valuable to the movement of new vehicles. There is no way they could afford to further devalue used vehicles. They will more than likely make threats but they have more to lose than to gain.Leaving the EU will pretty much stop all work on electronics and put many Indies out of business. The EU put in place open access to technical data used in diagnostic equipment. If we leave then that open access is removed and equipment manufacturers will no longer be allowed to use that data in the UK (even if they can still do so elsewhere - it all down to licence to use just like software). You will be forced back to the dealer network. That will make yet more cars beyond economic repair. Bye bye to many Zeds then.
It will happen because the manufacturers for spend millions to make it happen.
You might be right but that isn't what the test equipment industry thinks right now (says someone I know with 30 years experience).I don't think leaving the EU will have that effect. If the manufacturers want to sell new cars then they have to make sure that there aren't too many barriers to sale. The secondhand car market is too valuable to the movement of new vehicles. There is no way they could afford to devalue used vehicles. They will more than likely make threats but they have more to lose than to gain.
The whole world is more or less one open global economy now barring a few hotspots. We have nothing to fear but fear itself.You might be right but that isn't what the test equipment industry thinks right now (says someone I know with 30 years experience).
You can trade anywhere you want - but, it will cost 3% more to trade into the UK from Europe and likely the same for us to trade into Europe. Its called Import duty. Thats what it is now. Unless and until new arrangements are put in place then thats what it will cost. That is a big number for business - it will be passed on.The whole world is more or less one open global economy now barring a few hotspots. We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
There are some good factual points coming out from this thread now... after all if you go into a dealership to buy a new BMW you aren't thinking about how you will maintain it in 3 or 5 years time. You assume the aftercare market that's around now will always be there...You can trade anywhere you want - but, it will cost 3% more to trade into the UK from Europe and likely the same for us to trade into Europe. Its called Import duty. Thats what it is now. Unless and until new arrangements are put in place then thats what it will cost. That is a big number for business - it will be passed on.
Just hoping that you can get the same deal for nothing as you do now for a price isn't going to work. That's business. Why should any business give away something it doesn't need to. Thats marketing. It isn't fear - its business fact.
Life won't stop for sure. You won't get anything like the deal your getting now. Why would any business or economy give something away for nothing - thats what you're asking them to do. Its what being a member of a club is all about - you get benefits. They may not be apparent but you do. If you're no longer a paying member you can't expect everyone to get the same benefits and deal without some contribution to replace the lost membership fees. Thats how its been for hundreds if not thousands of years.
The car manufacturers will I expect most likely simply increase the licence costs for providing information to third parties that use that data in UK. Anyone using that information in the UK without paying the increased licence cost will lose the contractual rights to the information. That's licensing - Its how software and data distribution works. They will lose their European market as well as their UK market if they break the agreement - that will be in the contract. So, they will pass that cost on. Simple business backed by contract law. They will because they can. Its exactly that reason the EU put the rules in place there are now. You think companies will still keep to rules they don;t have to?
Removing cars from the market at the bottom of the stack won't stop people wanting to replace them. The manufacturers won't see devaluing cars as a problem even if it happens (which I don't think it will) - it actually helps them move more cars! They win. So, why give something away you don't need to.
Business will do as its always done - use the legal and commercial environment to its advantage to maximise its return for shareholders. Give them more levers to pull to do that - that is exactly what will happen. You're just hoping they won't. Hope is the other side of the coin from fear. Toss that coin into the air and your gambling. The only winners overall then are the bookies not the punters.
Heads or tails?
Sorry @GazHyde - This should be in the EU thread now...
Well as a business man that's a gamble I am more than willing to take. So flip that coin and get us out asap.You can trade anywhere you want - but, it will cost 3% more to trade into the UK from Europe and likely the same for us to trade into Europe. Its called Import duty. Thats what it is now. Unless and until new arrangements are put in place then thats what it will cost. That is a big number for business - it will be passed on.
Just hoping that you can get the same deal for nothing as you do now for a price isn't going to work. That's business. Why should any business give away something it doesn't need to. Thats marketing. It isn't fear - its business fact.
Life won't stop for sure. You won't get anything like the deal your getting now. Why would any business or economy give something away for nothing - thats what you're asking them to do. Its what being a member of a club is all about - you get benefits. They may not be apparent but you do. If you're no longer a paying member you can't expect everyone to get the same benefits and deal without some contribution to replace the lost membership fees. Thats how its been for hundreds if not thousands of years.
The car manufacturers will I expect most likely simply increase the licence costs for providing information to third parties that use that data in UK. Anyone using that information in the UK without paying the increased licence cost will lose the contractual rights to the information. That's licensing - Its how software and data distribution works. They will lose their European market as well as their UK market if they break the agreement - that will be in the contract. So, they will pass that cost on. Simple business backed by contract law. They will because they can. Its exactly that reason the EU put the rules in place there are now. You think companies will still keep to rules they don;t have to?
Removing cars from the market at the bottom of the stack won't stop people wanting to replace them. The manufacturers won't see devaluing cars as a problem even if it happens (which I don't think it will) - it actually helps them move more cars! They win. So, why give something away you don't need to.
Business will do as its always done - use the legal and commercial environment to its advantage to maximise its return for shareholders. Give them more levers to pull to do that - that is exactly what will happen. You're just hoping they won't. Hope is the other side of the coin from fear. Toss that coin into the air and your gambling. The only winners overall then are the bookies not the punters.
Heads or tails?
Sorry @GazHyde - This should be in the EU thread now...