European Union

[oldcarman]

Why

Your welcome to come and live with @jue1 and myself h/t. We have a lovely 8x4 shed behind the carport, you'd be more than welcome to rent it...... £50 a week!

why so cheap @Grumpy you'll get double or triple from your gov't to house a family of twelve in there! And is HT house trained?? lol

 

[hard top]

And is HT house trained??

To start with, don't understand why you are commenting on this thread.
Received more PM's about you asking for photos of members wife's.
Stop egging me on, I will get you nuked and no one is going to miss you.

 

[hard top]

And is HT house trained??

Oh, and by the way, sod off, we realize that your "lol" is a pish take.

 

[billz]

Well my main concerns are for the future economy - housing, NHS and education. We already have a housing shortage, the NHS is at breaking point (well broken actually) and placement in the education system is a joke. So if we stay in and immigration / migration continues to the figures they talking of by 2020 (equivalent to 3 more Birmingham's), how are we going to fund the above? that's without the increase in policing, emergency services, benefits etc etc.
The problem is the expected influx of people into GB wont bring any significant input into the economy, just a drain. I'm thinking of my children and grandchildren here and I fear for their futures. I don't know if my reasoning is right and I don't know if my vote decision is right, its a gut feeling, so I'm for out.

I agree. I think the economy will suffer but i do believe it will be short term or till we prove we can stand alone. To be honest no one knows what will happen if we leave the problem is we all know what will happen if we stay in and that is why i will vote out. If the crash is anything to go by the only real people who suffered were the rich as they lost more than the poor. All the people i know just got on with it and did not notice we were in a recession, they still went out, still went on holidays and still bought what the needed. I remember when mortgage rates were 15% 1986 and wages did not match. The trouble is we have had it very good these last 10 years with low mortgages and higher wages.
I believe the Governments could of done better by increasing taxes to all to pay off the deficit over a short term then we would be in a better position.

 

[miller1098]

I agree. I think the economy will suffer but i do believe it will be short term or till we prove we can stand alone. To be honest no one knows what will happen if we leave the problem is we all know what will happen if we stay in and that is why i will vote out. If the crash is anything to go by the only real people who suffered were the rich as they lost more than the poor. All the people i know just got on with it and did not notice we were in a recession, they still went out, still went on holidays and still bought what the needed. I remember when mortgage rates were 15% 1986 and wages did not match. The trouble is we have had it very good these last 10 years with low mortgages and higher wages.
I believe the Governments could of done better by increasing taxes to all to pay off the deficit over a short term then we would be in a better position.

I feel exactly the same but that's the reason I'm voting in. We've never had is as good in my lifetime.

 

[billz]

Hugh. I can remember when both me and kim were working bringing 2 kids up and did not have 2 pennies left over at the end of the week. We hardly ever bought any thing new, now we can buy what we want when we want (to a degree) and go on Holidays abroad twice a year and my mortgage is 50k more than it was then. In the latter years the Governments used to put up interest rates and taxes to combat inflation now they just hope folk will stop spending. To me i dont think many people would miss paying an extra 2p in the £ tax. Which is what i think the Government should of done 5 years ago

 

[miller1098]

Mate you would not believe some of the jobs I've done,kids these days,but I don't want them to have to struggle as sarah and I did that's what We worked for.why are we thinking of taking a step back into what? I know what it's like now "bloody good" .I remember when your starter was a glass of orange juice served on a doilie and eating out was a treat.I don't want to go back.

 

[t-tony]

Your welcome to come and live with @jue1 and myself h/t. We have a lovely 8x4 shed behind the carport, you'd be more than welcome to rent it...... £50 a week!

Far too cheap Grumps, you'll soon have an artic load pulling up to stay with you at that rate mate.

Tony.

 

[Chrisb4684]

Dutch PM vows retaliation against Britain if a Brexit vote produces tough new rules on immigrant workers and warns it would be 'bad news' for both sides

Well, looks like I am having to go and live with @Grumpy or @t-tony, would go and live at @miller1098's but they won't let me into Wales....

It's OK. If we exit it will be the end of he UK. Scotland has already said they will separate cos they want to stay in EU
And Wales will doubtless follow suit.
Go ahead Hard Top. You'll be Welcome in Wales in 10 years. It's just England you'll need a visa for!

 

[miller1098]

Not me I promise http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...d-vote-leave-sign-11419528#ICID=FB-Wales-main

 

[andyglym]

Not me I promise http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...d-vote-leave-sign-11419528#ICID=FB-Wales-main

Now that I think we can all agree on

 

[Redline]

We have a Vicar bring his Morris Minor in at work and the young lad at work (22) is lost on it, and that's no put down, just a sign of the times. I feel lost on modern cars that you have to "plug in" to see what's wrong. But, the other side of that is that sometimes people forget that the "infernal" fuel "infected" engines still have to work on the same old principals of, suck, squeeze, bang and blow, same as they always have and always will.

Tony.

Leaving the EU will pretty much stop all work on electronics and put many Indies out of business. The EU put in place open access to technical data used in diagnostic equipment. If we leave then that open access is removed and equipment manufacturers will no longer be allowed to use that data in the UK (even if they can still do so elsewhere - it all down to licence to use just like software). You will be forced back to the dealer network. That will make yet more cars beyond economic repair. Bye bye to many Zeds then.
It will happen because the manufacturers for spend millions to make it happen.

 

[Jack Ratt]

Leaving the EU will pretty much stop all work on electronics and put many Indies out of business. The EU put in place open access to technical data used in diagnostic equipment. If we leave then that open access is removed and equipment manufacturers will no longer be allowed to use that data in the UK (even if they can still do so elsewhere - it all down to licence to use just like software). You will be forced back to the dealer network. That will make yet more cars beyond economic repair. Bye bye to many Zeds then.
It will happen because the manufacturers for spend millions to make it happen.

I don't think leaving the EU will have that effect. If the manufacturers want to sell new cars then they have to make sure that there aren't too many barriers to sale. The secondhand car market is too valuable to the movement of new vehicles. There is no way they could afford to further devalue used vehicles. They will more than likely make threats but they have more to lose than to gain.

 

[Redline]

I don't think leaving the EU will have that effect. If the manufacturers want to sell new cars then they have to make sure that there aren't too many barriers to sale. The secondhand car market is too valuable to the movement of new vehicles. There is no way they could afford to devalue used vehicles. They will more than likely make threats but they have more to lose than to gain.

You might be right but that isn't what the test equipment industry thinks right now (says someone I know with 30 years experience).

 

[JAJ278]

You might be right but that isn't what the test equipment industry thinks right now (says someone I know with 30 years experience).

The whole world is more or less one open global economy now barring a few hotspots. We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

 

[Redline]

The whole world is more or less one open global economy now barring a few hotspots. We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

You can trade anywhere you want - but, it will cost 3% more to trade into the UK from Europe and likely the same for us to trade into Europe. Its called Import duty. Thats what it is now. Unless and until new arrangements are put in place then thats what it will cost. That is a big number for business - it will be passed on.

Just hoping that you can get the same deal for nothing as you do now for a price isn't going to work. That's business. Why should any business give away something it doesn't need to. Thats marketing. It isn't fear - its business fact.
Life won't stop for sure. You won't get anything like the deal your getting now. Why would any business or economy give something away for nothing - thats what you're asking them to do. Its what being a member of a club is all about - you get benefits. They may not be apparent but you do. If you're no longer a paying member you can't expect everyone to get the same benefits and deal without some contribution to replace the lost membership fees. Thats how its been for hundreds if not thousands of years.

The car manufacturers will I expect most likely simply increase the licence costs for providing information to third parties that use that data in UK. Anyone using that information in the UK without paying the increased licence cost will lose the contractual rights to the information. That's licensing - Its how software and data distribution works. They will lose their European market as well as their UK market if they break the agreement - that will be in the contract. So, they will pass that cost on. Simple business backed by contract law. They will because they can. Its exactly that reason the EU put the rules in place there are now. You think companies will still keep to rules they don;t have to?
Removing cars from the market at the bottom of the stack won't stop people wanting to replace them. The manufacturers won't see devaluing cars as a problem even if it happens (which I don't think it will) - it actually helps them move more cars! They win. So, why give something away you don't need to.

Business will do as its always done - use the legal and commercial environment to its advantage to maximise its return for shareholders. Give them more levers to pull to do that - that is exactly what will happen. You're just hoping they won't. Hope is the other side of the coin from fear. Toss that coin into the air and your gambling. The only winners overall then are the bookies not the punters.
Heads or tails?

Sorry @GazHyde - This should be in the EU thread now...

 

[Chrisb4684]

You can trade anywhere you want - but, it will cost 3% more to trade into the UK from Europe and likely the same for us to trade into Europe. Its called Import duty. Thats what it is now. Unless and until new arrangements are put in place then thats what it will cost. That is a big number for business - it will be passed on.

Just hoping that you can get the same deal for nothing as you do now for a price isn't going to work. That's business. Why should any business give away something it doesn't need to. Thats marketing. It isn't fear - its business fact.
Life won't stop for sure. You won't get anything like the deal your getting now. Why would any business or economy give something away for nothing - thats what you're asking them to do. Its what being a member of a club is all about - you get benefits. They may not be apparent but you do. If you're no longer a paying member you can't expect everyone to get the same benefits and deal without some contribution to replace the lost membership fees. Thats how its been for hundreds if not thousands of years.

The car manufacturers will I expect most likely simply increase the licence costs for providing information to third parties that use that data in UK. Anyone using that information in the UK without paying the increased licence cost will lose the contractual rights to the information. That's licensing - Its how software and data distribution works. They will lose their European market as well as their UK market if they break the agreement - that will be in the contract. So, they will pass that cost on. Simple business backed by contract law. They will because they can. Its exactly that reason the EU put the rules in place there are now. You think companies will still keep to rules they don;t have to?
Removing cars from the market at the bottom of the stack won't stop people wanting to replace them. The manufacturers won't see devaluing cars as a problem even if it happens (which I don't think it will) - it actually helps them move more cars! They win. So, why give something away you don't need to.

Business will do as its always done - use the legal and commercial environment to its advantage to maximise its return for shareholders. Give them more levers to pull to do that - that is exactly what will happen. You're just hoping they won't. Hope is the other side of the coin from fear. Toss that coin into the air and your gambling. The only winners overall then are the bookies not the punters.
Heads or tails?

Sorry @GazHyde - This should be in the EU thread now...

There are some good factual points coming out from this thread now... after all if you go into a dealership to buy a new BMW you aren't thinking about how you will maintain it in 3 or 5 years time. You assume the aftercare market that's around now will always be there...

 

[JAJ278]

You can trade anywhere you want - but, it will cost 3% more to trade into the UK from Europe and likely the same for us to trade into Europe. Its called Import duty. Thats what it is now. Unless and until new arrangements are put in place then thats what it will cost. That is a big number for business - it will be passed on.

Just hoping that you can get the same deal for nothing as you do now for a price isn't going to work. That's business. Why should any business give away something it doesn't need to. Thats marketing. It isn't fear - its business fact.
Life won't stop for sure. You won't get anything like the deal your getting now. Why would any business or economy give something away for nothing - thats what you're asking them to do. Its what being a member of a club is all about - you get benefits. They may not be apparent but you do. If you're no longer a paying member you can't expect everyone to get the same benefits and deal without some contribution to replace the lost membership fees. Thats how its been for hundreds if not thousands of years.

The car manufacturers will I expect most likely simply increase the licence costs for providing information to third parties that use that data in UK. Anyone using that information in the UK without paying the increased licence cost will lose the contractual rights to the information. That's licensing - Its how software and data distribution works. They will lose their European market as well as their UK market if they break the agreement - that will be in the contract. So, they will pass that cost on. Simple business backed by contract law. They will because they can. Its exactly that reason the EU put the rules in place there are now. You think companies will still keep to rules they don;t have to?
Removing cars from the market at the bottom of the stack won't stop people wanting to replace them. The manufacturers won't see devaluing cars as a problem even if it happens (which I don't think it will) - it actually helps them move more cars! They win. So, why give something away you don't need to.

Business will do as its always done - use the legal and commercial environment to its advantage to maximise its return for shareholders. Give them more levers to pull to do that - that is exactly what will happen. You're just hoping they won't. Hope is the other side of the coin from fear. Toss that coin into the air and your gambling. The only winners overall then are the bookies not the punters.
Heads or tails?

Sorry @GazHyde - This should be in the EU thread now...

Well as a business man that's a gamble I am more than willing to take. So flip that coin and get us out asap.

 

[hard top]

Michael Gove is compared to a First World War general in EU debate and the Internet goes over the top in response.

Michael Gove was accused of being like a First World War general sending his men over the top with no idea what was on the other side as he faced a public grilling on the EU referendum.

The Brexit campaigner's failure to set out an economic plan for Britain pulling out of the 28-member bloc was likened by a voter to military top brass ordering out the troops without any idea of the casualty rate to come.

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[smiffy]

its on our shores right now, far bigger concern than whether we use oem diagnostics or a hooky copy from china.

numerous cases of migrants making it to our beaches and marinas. The invasion has begun. We must reclaim and defend our territorial waters, alteratively, we bus the lot to Wales.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-vessels-patrol-English-Channel-migrants.html