It certainly should be. As I said yesterday there are still too many unknowns regarding the way it's going to work. Somewhere along the line common sense will need to be applied I think.
Tony.
Tony.
New M.O.T.
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So, I presume you can ask and pay for a garage to undertake an inspection to full MoT standard without it being an MoT. Surely it can’t be illegal to test to full MoT standard as long as no certificate is issued on that basis.
Advice to the owner on any dangerous problems should be the same but it isn’t recorded on the MoT system.
Obviously any such test couldn’t use and equipment specifically provided for or funded by DVSA. Anything the garage owns but uses for MoTs has to be available - they’re getting paid either way (unless the MoT itself is subsidised above the MoT fee).
Got to be cheaper to pay for two tests than have your car trailered away.
Hence my reference to "data". It's not just police cars that have ANPR.
Only the police can stop a private car on the road though and then prosecute. Don’t know if they can stop commercial vehicles though without police in attendance.
If your stupid enough to drive into for example a car park with ANPR (or even refill at your local garage that has ANPR) and then get a parking notice or get a parking ticket without an MoT then you deserve all you get.
It’s an interesting take on GDPR. Of course the police get access to DVSA data for statutory obligations as do MoT test centres, but, I guess you could request details of who the DVSA pass your details on to and then request of those data processors exactly where they may get data from to be used in conjunction with that data. That is car parking companies etc. That gives joe public the option of not going to those locations. Another Satnav gizmo - a warning if you are approaching a location that uses your data supplied to DVSA. That includes statutory disclosure of permanent and temporary speed cameras.
The DVSA provides no test equipment what so ever. All of it is owned by the testing station but has to be calibrated to DVSA specific requirements. A testing station can do tests by appointment OR on demand. If you do on demand testing the equipment has to be available at ANY time during your hours of testing (not hours of business).
If you provide such a service without being "logged on" you have to use the brake testing, headlight aim testing and emission testing equipment or you haven't tested to DVSA standard.
Tony.
If you provide such a service without being "logged on" you have to use the brake testing, headlight aim testing and emission testing equipment or you haven't tested to DVSA standard.
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You don't have to be stopped by anybody. Royal Mail are happy to provide a delivery service for envelopes of joy.
So you could pay for your car to be tested to MoT standard to identify any problems that an MoT test would be expected to find and then have opportunity to rectify them before conducting a full MoT test.
What's the fine if you take your number plates off, bet its less. Getting silly now though.
Yes you could do that Ian, perfectly legally. Cost to be arranged between customer and garage. Cut price testing outfits may not want to that for the same price.
Tony.
so OK ...Tony, Stevo
what would you do if one of your MOT customers has a defect in the new classification as 'dangerous'
The owner want's to take the car home and fix it himself.
Would you let him?
Would you report him if he drives it away?
what would you do if one of your MOT customers has a defect in the new classification as 'dangerous'
The owner want's to take the car home and fix it himself.
Would you let him?
Would you report him if he drives it away?
I could and would do neither Pete. I don't see customers when they collect their cars anyway. I hope our office staff would advise them of their options and leave it to them. IF I heard of anyone reporting someone to the Police I would be onto the local papers and tell all who had done so and then tell them where to shove their job.
Is that clear enough? Not my job to be the DVSA's police.
Tony.
Is that clear enough? Not my job to be the DVSA's police.
Tony.
I’m sure the Indy I use will be reasonable like you Tony. He’s gone out his way before to make sure my car is warmed up to pass the immisions test and proberly enjoying the wind in his hair as well. As you say Tony people would vote with there feet. I’ve used my Indy since I’ve had the M he’s always been open honest and fair. My wife dropped by with some fault had a look cleared the codes 20 minuets of his time and refused payment has we are regular customers and taken all our major repair work there. Always a busy business with a small car park full of BMW’s be interesting on how he deals with some of the silly things as dangerous in this discussion. It’s a shame you don’t live over this way Tony you’d probably enjoy working there.
A tyre about to blow is dangerous, and yes shouldn't be driven.... even to a tyre place.
but a sticking brake pedal switch?
Defect Category
Stop lamp(s):
So
and how is brake lights stuck on dangerous but not working correctly is just an advisory
but a sticking brake pedal switch?
Defect Category
Stop lamp(s):
- switch does not operate in accordance with the requirements .......Minor
- switch with a delay in operation ......Major
- remain on when the brakes are released .......Dangerous
So
- switch not operating in accordance ...... minor !
- Brake lights stay on ......... dangerous !
and how is brake lights stuck on dangerous but not working correctly is just an advisory
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Well, after only 3 days of the "NEW" M.O.T. rules and regs I can tell you that IF you end up with a cracked alloy wheel it is still OK to get a welded repair done. The manual is free to see on the internet. Search "mot tester's manual 2018" and click on https://www.gov.uk/topic/mot/manuals then on, MOT inspection manual: cars and passenger vehicles , then on MOT inspection manual for class 3, 4, 5 and 7 vehicles
See here, 5 Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension sub section 5.2.2
5.2.2 Road wheel condition
You only need to inspect the road wheels fitted to the vehicle at the time of the inspection. If you notice a defect on a spare wheel, you should tell the vehicle presenter about it.
You mustn’t remove wheel hub caps.
You can accept abutting ends on detachable spring retaining rings on wheel rims of semi-drop centre type (identified by the ends of the ring shaped to interlock) as long as the retainer is adequately and safely located in the wheel rim.
Defect Category
A welding defect would be where it had previously been repaired to a poor standard and had consequently cracked again through the weld.
Tony.
See here, 5 Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension sub section 5.2.2
5.2.2 Road wheel condition
You only need to inspect the road wheels fitted to the vehicle at the time of the inspection. If you notice a defect on a spare wheel, you should tell the vehicle presenter about it.
You mustn’t remove wheel hub caps.
You can accept abutting ends on detachable spring retaining rings on wheel rims of semi-drop centre type (identified by the ends of the ring shaped to interlock) as long as the retainer is adequately and safely located in the wheel rim.
Defect Category
- Any fracture or welding defect on a wheel
- A tyre retaining ring:
- not correctly fitted
- likely to come off
- A wheel:
- badly distorted or wear between wheel and hub at spigot mounting
- distorted or worn to the extent the wheel or tyre is likely to become detached
- A wheel and its fixings not compatible
A welding defect would be where it had previously been repaired to a poor standard and had consequently cracked again through the weld.
Tony.
Thanks for the link Tony.
I suddenly got nervous about my fuel filler cap. I have the existing Z3 one under the flap. But the flap locking mechanism doesn’t work on the new body.
I cannot find proof of it in the test. What s the Test’s view of a non-locking filler ? I realise i leave myself open to theft but is it a problem otherwise ?
All other reading this - anyone know what size the Z3 std filler is ? I need to go buy a locking one for under the flap.
Dave
I suddenly got nervous about my fuel filler cap. I have the existing Z3 one under the flap. But the flap locking mechanism doesn’t work on the new body.
I cannot find proof of it in the test. What s the Test’s view of a non-locking filler ? I realise i leave myself open to theft but is it a problem otherwise ?
All other reading this - anyone know what size the Z3 std filler is ? I need to go buy a locking one for under the flap.
Dave
You don't need to buy a locking cap Dave as long as the cap "maintains the sealing arrangement" The outer "flap" is not part of the test just the cap which fits on the filler neck mate.
Tony.
Thanks Tony. Thought it was the case but good to know.
It has the original filler cap so should be correct.
For peace of mind I will look for a locking one later down the track
Dave
I've got the velvet being collected monday for an MOT, my tester is over the top at the best of times. Looking forward to the arguments this time round 
I've got the velvet being collected monday for an MOT, my tester is over the top at the best of times. Looking forward to the arguments this time round
Just use the on line manual Lee. All you need to know is there mate. Re the wheel repairs, I talked to our local DVSA guy so that came from the horses mouth. As I've said all along, very little has really changed apart from the "drive it away " issue.
Tony.
ps. What they have done is make it very hard for a tester to navigate through the new manual, whether this was intentional or not I'm not sure, but it does make life difficult for the tester so don't be too hard on them.
Fingers crossed all is well then, This is all new underneath every part is new including new paint new tyres
