Z3 2.2 (2001), 100k miles, same owner since 2005, £3495 - a good buy?

inhocsigno

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Hi guys,

Looking ahead to the weekend drive back, in case there’s a downpour, what do you think I could use to minimise water ingress via that significant rip between the hood and the rear window? (If you zoom in, you can see that a large area is compromised.)

Erm, gorilla tape on the inside - or on both sides, hoping to stick two strips to each other, if that makes any sense? If I get the crystal clear roll, it might, but probably will not, look slightly less monstrous a thing. An absorbant cloth at the ready? :) My whole unused towel collection? :))

I really must attempt sleep again. What a day. What a day.

Thank you again!
 

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:)

Thanks guys.

The seller called me and apologised (my heart froze!), it's just the bonnet release cable (?), apparently stuck, the bonnet pops up when triggered from inside but can't be opened manually, it's stuck somehow; he's going to see a mechanic about it tomorrow, said we'll open it anyway but hopes for a fix too; he drove the car around the village and otherwise it's ok. Is this an easy fix? Was offered an additional discount if it won't be fixed by Saturday. Excitement not dented one bit by this.

I haven't put petrol in a car in a long time. I might just be ready for it again.
 

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:)

Thanks guys.

The seller called me and apologised (my heart froze!), it's just the bonnet release cable (?), apparently stuck, the bonnet pops up when triggered from inside but can't be opened manually, it's stuck somehow; he's going to see a mechanic about it tomorrow, said we'll open it anyway but hopes for a fix too; he drove the car around the village and otherwise it's ok. Is this an easy fix? Was offered an additional discount if it won't be fixed by Saturday. Excitement not dented one bit by this.

I haven't put petrol in a car in a long time. I might just be ready for it again.
If it pops up when you pull the lever inside then it wouldn't be a snapped cable. There are two catches holding the bonnet down and another cable runs between them.. maybe its that that has snapped It is a quite common and annoying thing to go..just an age thing. Both cables are about £50-60 from BMW. New latches about £20 each if needed. Fix is easy but fiddly. Harder if your car has aircon due to the additional electric fan in the way.. With all zed maintenance you just have to get used to swearing a lot.
 

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On the tax issue…..I’m in NZ but last year bought a car in uk then sold it 7 weeks later (after vast insurance bill apparently cos I am non uk resident so more risky)…..so I am no expert on uk car ownership……on transfer of ownership the tax gets cancelled right? If so if the new owner gets caught by an ANPR camera after the transfer and they don’t tax it they will get a nasty surprise in the post?
Insurance (to be valid) might insist the car is registered in your name as well?
What was annoying for me was I could not tax/licence the car for quite a few days until the insurance was updated into the licensing system.
Or does it take a few days for the ANPR system to catch up?
 

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We are expecting more photos !! 😁
Bet you’ve already started a list of things you want to do to it.
 

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The MX5's owner was very gracious and let me drive the car on the way down - we stopped in Sherwood , where we had a snack; got to the little village around 3 pm. Interestingly, in the cafe's parking lot, there was another, identical-looking mx5; when the driver returned, she actually hovered around confused - not knowing why the key wouldn't work and wtf her door was open! ("I have a car identical to yours!" :) (it might have actually been a 2.0, judging by the sound).

The seller was great - showed me around the car, inside and out, including under the bonnet, which looked very clean throughout; knocked another hundred pounds off the price for the cable issue (and shared two ebay links for the parts, which I ordered). Car's had a recent oil change and came with a thick, thick file of service history; considerable expense has gone into maintaining this boy. I've even glimpsed a +£1,000 invoice in there; maybe we'll explore the whole folder in due time. I also appreciated the fact that the 2.2. badge had been removed (though included in the sale). Thumb's up from me.

Coming straight from driving the mx5, first impressions were biased and excessively subjective on the first day. He feels bigger, more solid; a mature car; it's a different, different drive. The steering is heavy and mechanical and really quite muscular to handle; I like it. The engine's larger displacement makes him a more refined drive, very smooth, including in 1st. The MX5 is jumpy and nervous in low gear, it can be driven elegantly but doesn't really seem to want to do that! The Z3 is more comfortable and far more spacious-feeling. The car's particular interior does not feel dated, it still carries some of the elegance and understatement I was hoping for. Storage space is beyond generous! Huge boot comparatively. Velvet-lined coin holder (?) inside the driver's door! Gigantic glovebox (not saggy!). Chunky storage compartments. Short stick in chrome that isn't garish and matches the very nice headlight switch. Old-school details here and there. Beautiful.

Power delivery: mixed impressions on the first day. Slowly I realized that while objectively the slower car, the MX5 is built to create the impression of a faster, sportier ride - this is what the car wants most - it does this at the expense of comfort, and is quite a masterpiece in delivering this experience while not being dangerously fast. It's safe and exciting and provides a very particular ride. Ah, but the Z! Ok, so what happens after 5,000 rpm-s on this engine makes me think of what I imagine is M3 territory. It's laughs and smiles and shake your hair stuff. Somewhat alarmingly, actually, and not helped by the fact that the RPM counter wasn't working (possibly a soldering issue - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; mostly it does; owner tried to fix it; am cool with it), I hit the rev limiter on the first motorway ramp, I think maybe in second or 3rd? VUM-VUM-VUM-VUM - poor old boy!!! I felt quite bad and then kind of cruised along, roof down, following the MX5. With the windbreaker on, doing 70-80ish is actually relatively comfortable and doable for hours - the RF (even being more of a targa than a full convertible) is noisy-noisy compared with the Z.

Back in Durham, I drove and picked up the half-cover. Around town, I became a bit obsessed with hitting that peak power in first gear - like, I wanted it instantly: to the point I was thinking that the torque delivery is kind of lazy mid-range, and felt disappointed. Also, oddly, no wheel spin (I'm sure it's possible, but it's not as accessible as I thought it would be). Anyway, I corrected this unfair impression this morning, when I saw that, without even pushing him hard, the car can jump from standing to 50-60ish in a way that is faster, more elegant and effortless. Also, 2nd is dangerous in this machine; it's freakin' fast and not really safely usable around town if one is inclined to sporty driving. So I am already learning to cruise in him: he has this pleasant and reassuring torquiness at low speeds - again superior to the MX-5, which, if driven leisurely like this, is disappointingly slow to accelerate. (The board computer recommends up-shifting to 6th around 40mph!). Even so, I am not excluding a possible re-map and/or engine upgrades to further sweeten the Z's torque across the whole range of rpms, if feasible.

Sound-wise: Right, so I'm smiling now. Like, a lot. Actually I'm laughing as I write this. I don't know how standard this exhaust is, seeing it's been repaired and updated - whoever did the job, did it well, in my opinion. It's hard to describe it, it's, uh, incomparable to the MX5's. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the latter sounds bad, I actually quite like its little maxigrowls and Japanese character, but it is a little demonstrative- it's studied, and probably as successful as they could get it to be, but it is a small engine on a kart-like chassis and has certain limitations, and this is one of them. The straight-line six on the BMW sounds amazing, both in its lows and highs. It's throaty and it's mature down low, and psychotically violent, mechanical and shrill up high - I guess a bit like its owner, so a definite plus here. ;)

The roof will need replacing. It's gonna be expensive, but hey I started with a highish budget. The sand-coloured mohair is beautiful, works very well with the black, it raises the car a level above the black on blacks. I was actually tempted to dress similarly, but actually went for my kilt to mark the special occasion. I will also say the kilt is very comfortable to drive in.
:)

Phone ran out of battery so limited photos.

Took selfies and offered a ride at Church today. It all feels like an underserved and humbling experience for me.

Finally, for all the comparisons above, please note I haven't made them in a competitive way - there's no winner, no loser; the MX5 is a superb car both in the rearview mirror and up ahead. For those that can afford both, by all means: have, enjoy and appreciate both.

If I had to choose right now, I would choose the Z.

Which I did.

Thank you for all the help again.

(Might create another post for him moving ahead. I do hope someone gets and fixes up the one I started this post about!)
 

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Zephyr

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You describe both experiences very well and glad you found what you were looking for.
Picking the Z over the MX also makes you part of this fine clan in this small part of the internet and this is an extra you can not find in the MX world.
enjoy
 

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The MX5's owner was very gracious and let me drive the car on the way down - we stopped in Sherwood , where we had a snack; got to the little village around 3 pm. Interestingly, in the cafe's parking lot, there was another, identical-looking mx5; when the driver returned, she actually hovered around confused - not knowing why the key wouldn't work and wtf her door was open! ("I have a car identical to yours!" :) (it might have actually been a 2.0, judging by the sound).

The seller was great - showed me around the car, inside and out, including under the bonnet, which looked very clean throughout; knocked another hundred pounds off the price for the cable issue (and shared two ebay links for the parts, which I ordered). Car's had a recent oil change and came with a thick, thick file of service history; considerable expense has gone into maintaining this boy. I've even glimpsed a +£1,000 invoice in there; maybe we'll explore the whole folder in due time. I also appreciated the fact that the 2.2. badge had been removed (though included in the sale). Thumb's up from me.

Coming straight from driving the mx5, first impressions were biased and excessively subjective on the first day. He feels bigger, more solid; a mature car; it's a different, different drive. The steering is heavy and mechanical and really quite muscular to handle; I like it. The engine's larger displacement makes him a more refined drive, very smooth, including in 1st. The MX5 is jumpy and nervous in low gear, it can be driven elegantly but doesn't really seem to want to do that! The Z3 is more confortable and far more spacious-feeling. The car's particular interior does not feel dated, it still carries some of the elegance and understatement I was hoping for. Storage space is beyond generous! Huge boot comparatively. Velvet-lined coin holder (?) inside the driver's door! Gigantic glovebox (not saggy!). Chunky storage compartments. Short stick in chrome that isn't garish and matches the very nice headlight switch. Old-school details here and there. Beautiful.

Power delivery: mixed impressions on the first day. Slowly I realized that while objectively the slower car, the MX5 is built to create the impression of a faster, sportier ride - this is what the car wants most - it does this at the expense of comfort, and is quite a masterpiece in delivering this experience while not being dangerously fast. It's safe and exciting and provides a very particular ride. Ah, but the Z! Ok, so what happens after 5,000 rpm-s on this engine makes me think of what I imagine is M3 territory. It's laughs and smiles and shake your hair stuff. Somewhat alarmingly, actually, and not helped by the fact that the RPM counter wasn't working (possibly a soldering issue - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; mostly it does; owner tried to fix it; am cool about it), I hit the rev limiter on the first motorway ramp, I think maybe in second or 3rd? VUM-VUM-VUM-VUM - poor old boy!!! I felt quite bad and then kind of cruised along, roof down, following the MX5. With the windbreaker on, doing 70-80ish is actually relatively comfortable and doable for hours - the RF (even being more of a targa than a full convertible) is noisy-noisy compared with the Z.

Back in Durham, I drove and picked up the half-cover. Around town, I became a bit obsessed with hitting that peak power in first gear - like, I wanted it instantly: to the point I was thinking that the torque delivery is kind of lazy mid-range, and felt disappointed. Also, oddly, no wheel spin (I'm sure it's possible, but it's not as accessible as I thought it would be). Anyway, I corrected this unfair impression this morning, when I saw that, without even pushing him hard, the car can jump from standing to 50-60ish in a way that is faster, more elegant and effortless. Also, 2nd is dangerous in this machine; it's freakin' fast and not really safely usable around town if one is inclined to sporty driving. So I am already learning to cruise in him: he has this pleasant and reassuring torquiness at low speeds - again superior to the MX-5, which, if driven leisurely like this, is disappointgly slow to accelerate. (The board computer recommends up-shifting to 6th around 40mph!). Even so, I am not excluding a possible re-map and/or engine upgrades to further sweeten the Z's torque across the whole range of rpms, if feasible.

Sound-wise: Right, so I'm smiling now. Like, a lot. Actually I'm laughing as I write this. I don't know how standard this exhaust is, seeing it's been repaired and updated - whoever did the job, did it well, in my opinon. It's hard to describe it, it's, uh, incomparable to the MX5's. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the latter sounds bad, I actually quite like its little maxigrowls and Japanese character, but it is a little demonstrative- it's studied, and probably as succesful as they could get it to be, but it is a small engine on a kart-like chasis and has certain limitations, and this is one of them. The straight-line six on the BMW sounds amazing, both in its lows and highs. It's throaty and it's mature down low, and psychotically violent, mechanical and shrill up high - I guess a bit like its owner, so a definite plus here. ;)

The roof will need replacing. It's gonna be expensive, but hey I started with a highish budget. The sand-coloured mohair is beautiful, works very well with the black, it raises the car a level above the black on blacks. I was actually tempted to dress similarly, but actually went for my kilt to mark the special occasion. I will also say the kilt is very comfortable to drive in.
:)

Phone ran out of battery so limited photos.

Took selfies and offered a ride at Church today. It all feels like an underserved and humbling experience for me.

Finally, for all the comparisons above, please note I haven't made them in a competitive way - there's no winner, no loser; the MX5 is a superb car both in the rearview mirror and up ahead. For those that can afford both, by all means: have, enjoy and appreciate both.

If I had to choose right now, I would choose the Z.

Which I did.

Thank you for all the help again.

(Might create another post for him moving ahead. I do hope someone gets and fixes up the one I started this post about!)
Great post :thumbsup:
 

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I took him out to the coast yesterday.

There was a Boxster nearby - I'm not a fan of Boxsters, but I understand they've competed for the same audience. So I guess there he is, competing. ;)

As you can see, the roof is coming apart, a bit more every time I handle it. This too was mentioned by the seller. I'd like to get it done this summer. I don't suppose this one can be fixed in any reasonable way.

Also, that little plastic piece (pictured) fell from somewhere as I was folding the roof down - I don't imagine anyone knows what it is? :)

-

So I'm looking at hood specialists; i'd like it to be the same sand-coloured mohair, Twilfast, with relief pockets if possible, and with keeping the nice original lining currently in place.

Options:

1) Seller recommended a man called Kevin, SofttopsSpecialists, Z3 colour fitted £1250 (!!), deposit £750 on order, 7 days to make (recommended by some in the trade, specialising in classics/modern cars) - 07710238088

2) http://www.thesofttopshop.com/bmw-z3 - £1130 (!) (mobile fitting) - 0161-456 7634 or 07587 631 886

3) Jack Smith, Swansea - 01792 461022 (old Facebook page) - cheaper prices, not sure if he does the above spec

4) Croydon shop, http://soft-tops.co.uk/index.php/Soft-tops-co-uk - 07899 900 098

Will reach out to all.

Any advice? Are the high prices justified? What would you recommend to do?

Thank you!

ps: did not use tonneau cover on the day; it's in the boot, in good condition.
 

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Car looks great. Love the interior and the wheels. I’m looking forward to your future posts!
 

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You can enter your registration to see if they fit. The only question would be if your car is fitted with wheel spacers
 

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I took him out to the coast yesterday.

There was a Boxster nearby - I'm not a fan of Boxsters, but I understand they've competed for the same audience. So I guess there he is, competing. ;)

As you can see, the roof is coming apart, a bit more every time I handle it. This too was mentioned by the seller. I'd like to get it done this summer. I don't suppose this one can be fixed in any reasonable way.

Also, that little plastic piece (pictured) fell from somewhere as I was folding the roof down - I don't imagine anyone knows what it is? :)

-

So I'm looking at hood specialists; i'd like it to be the same sand-coloured mohair, Twilfast, with relief pockets if possible, and with keeping the nice original lining currently in place.

Options:

1) Seller recommended a man called Kevin, SofttopsSpecialists, Z3 colour fitted £1250 (!!), deposit £750 on order, 7 days to make (recommended by some in the trade, specialising in classics/modern cars) - 07710238088

2) http://www.thesofttopshop.com/bmw-z3 - £1130 (!) (mobile fitting) - 0161-456 7634 or 07587 631 886

3) Jack Smith, Swansea - 01792 461022 (old Facebook page) - cheaper prices, not sure if he does the above spec

4) Croydon shop, http://soft-tops.co.uk/index.php/Soft-tops-co-uk - 07899 900 098

Will reach out to all.

Any advice? Are the high prices justified? What would you recommend to do?

Thank you!

ps: did not use tonneau cover on the day; it's in the boot, in good condition.
 

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Sadly the plastic part seems broken from your photos. It is from the frame of the hood (1st hinge point from the windscren). There's one each on the drivers and pasenger side and are best described as 'buffers' for when the hood is closing to the windscreen and the two hinged frame sections meet one another. Whichever side this came from, there should still be one on the other side for you to see - if not, a hole where it once fitted!!
I only know because one of mine broke and fell off as well. Not replaced yet so no idea what the part number might be. :)IMG_7342.JPG
 
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inhocsigno

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Updates on the hood:

Spoke with all of them; Croydon no longer do hoods.

Mr Smith in Swansea is an interesting character and I am inclined to go there in August - this will save a lot of money that can go in a repair/upgrade contingency fund. The man spoke at some length on a variety of topics; and offered to send me some fabric samples as well. I checked out his work on this forum, and it looks good; l really liked the one in red/burgundy he did for a member, very nice; he does relief pockets as well and uses the same material that the other firms use, which is ordered from a firm called BAS International; I spoke with them too and I'm enclosing a colour sample of their light-coloured mohair, which they were kind enough to e-mail upon enquiry.

My current hood looks like the beige, so that's what I'm probably going to go for. (I liked the burgundy mentioned above, and it could work, in principle, but I think I'll keep the car in its original character. :)

No wheel spacers. Will look into getting correct locking wheel bolts.

Thanks again
 

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