Suggestions for places to buy shocks/springs pls

mrscalex

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Monroe Reflex are a good option.

You can get standard springs from a plethora of different manufacturers. KYB might be a good option - they are OEM suppliers to a number of car manufacturers.

I have to say I thought even non-Sport 3.0s came with Sport suspension. But I don't think the VIN check would be wrong.
 

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Like you I wanted to keep OEM spec. so replaced my springs and shocks with standard Sachs (manufacturer of OEM parts from my research) bought from carpartsforless. I also replaced front top mounts with non OEM, SKF units and rear mounts with Meyle. I also replaced spring pads with BMW parts from dealer. Biggest difference, however, was made by replacing rear bushes where I went for rubber rather than poly and used Meyle parts.
Thanks roadvoyager, very helpful:thumbsup: Sachs Super Touring look like a good bet so reckon I'll try to get those now, along with some Sachs springs.

There doesn't seem to be as much availability of the Sachs kit for the 3.0 as there is for the 2.8 though. But I'm thinking there can't be that much difference between them, as they're basically the same engine.
 

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Monroe Reflex are a good option.

You can get standard springs from a plethora of different manufacturers. KYB might be a good option - they are OEM suppliers to a number of car manufacturers.

I have to say I thought even non-Sport 3.0s came with Sport suspension. But I don't think the VIN check would be wrong.
Thanks Rob, I'd seen KYB springs come up in my searches but I've never heard of them. Would happily buy a set on your recommendation though. Would you say then, as far as springs go, they're all much of a muchness? As KYB are very cost effective in comparison to others. I'm now aiming to source Sachs kit in the first instance, but KYB would seem to be a good backup option on the spring side as they're widely available.

I wasn't even aware there was a Sport suspension option until I'd owned the car for about six months! And then it took me another six months to figure out what I had haha:bag:
 

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The whole strut & spring thing is hugely confusing @DrWong . Especially if you want to keep it factory.

And it gets even worse with Sport parts.

You can’t get Sport struts/shocks apart from BMW. You can’t get Sport springs (-15mm) apart from BMW.

You won’t find part numbers online for springs. You have to give your VIN to the dealer. My favourite BMW parts counter recently humoured me and fed all 6 of my VINs through.

This identified 2.2 and 3.0 Sport springs are the same. Then there are 2 different springs, one for cars with air con and one without. Go figure that out! These were all manuals. Possibly automatics use different springs.

I’m currently trying to assemble data on what the correct lengths of spring and cross section of the coil are. Plus the correct colour code system the production line uses. You can see that on your spring. It’s a red/red. Which from my limited data currently suggests it may be a Sport spring! From memory a Sport spring is 33.5cm and a non-Sport is 35cm. But I’ll have to check that.

Many suppliers will quote standard struts and springs as the correct replacements for Sports.

For the struts/shocks that’s less of a concern as I’ve learned from experience. Something like a Monroe Reflex is superior to the original Sport part anyway.

But the springs are a different kettle of fish. A supplier will happily tell you standard height springs are correct for a Sport. They aren’t. And neither are Eibach/H&R at -30mm.

This causes a situation where if a single spring is replaced that corner of the car sits at the wrong height.

It’s less complicated with non-Sport. Although I have an array of non-Sport non-OEM springs and they can vary by up to 10mm across manufacturers anyway! But in theory that is I believe within BMW tolerance. But would you really want that? For that reason I would say always replace in pairs.

If I was doing a non-Sport suspension I’d have no problem using KYB if it saved me money against Sachs.

In fact I have an almost new pair of KYBs removed from a breaker I’m saving for my brother’s 1.9.

Which is a good point to remind you that 4 cylinder springs are different to 6 cylinder due to the extra weight.

You can trawl the internet for ever and a day. But you’re unlikely to find a comprehensive understanding across all Z3 types (or other BMWs) presented by anyone. It remains a big mystery. I doubt even BMW could tell you anymore. They’ll just supply the correct part off your VIN.

But apart from wanting to improve stance/handling that I guess is why some people say to heck with it and go for Eibachs at -30mm which puts everything on a level playing field!

And yes. Would be great if you could replace all flexible joints and bushes while you are in there. But watch the pennies and watch the time it takes.
 

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Thanks @mrscalex ! That's an insanely helpful summary of the situation. And yes, I was beginning to get very confused by the info out there on spring/shock combos. Don't even get me started on the people using e30/36 bits on their Z3s (not that I object, it's just another bloody confusion haha)

I didn't know about this colour coding thing. I've just been outside to check and it's definitely two red marks (I thought they looked a bit yellow in the photos). If that means my suspension is Sports spec, that complicates things massively for me if I want to keep it OEM for the reasons of cost/availability you state above. Bugger. I'm not that keen on lowering as I understand that introduces camber changes and I'd also very much like to experience the car as BMW intended from the factory.

Re: 3.0 sport/non-sport heights, I'd seen your post on t'other forum on this and that you had an early brochure where sports suspension wasn't a stated option. Mine is an early 3.0 (built March 2001) and apparently may have the 15mm drop, as hinted at by the two red marks.

Could it be that all early 3.0 litres came with the 15mm Sports suspension as standard (which would tally with your brochure), and then a non-Sports suspension was introduced later in the build cycle (which would tally with other peoples brochures where Sports is stated as an option)? That would seem to reconcile all the different bits of info out there.

I feel a trip to the dealer with my VIN number is required..
 

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My Z3 has just passed 80K miles. I have a comprehensive service record with the car from new that indicates it remains on OEM suspension, apart from rear top mounts that were replaced by a previous owner some years ago due to unwanted noise at the rear (a common problem). There is no evidence of any suspension bushes etc being replaced.
Am considering a suspension refresh this year (car is 22 years old in April). Apart from springs and dampers, is there a definitive list of what else should be replaced any where please? Regretfully, don't have time, inclination, skill or tools to do the work myself, so an indy will likely get the job. Would be good to be informed as above to provide an exact specification to a couple of garages for a supply and fit price. Any help in forming this would be much appreciated.:thumbsup:
 

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@DrWong the dealer will give you a part number. But have no idea about length or colour coding.

I don’t have enough springs/data yet to be certain of what each colour coding means but I’m working on it.

If the VIN decoder says there is no sport suspension then that’s how it was built. I’ve never seen it wrong. But of course someone may have put Sport springs on in a previous ownership including the dealer before delivery.
 

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@Ianmc From the top of my head and from the limited amount of digging I've done since discovering my spring had snapped, along with shocks and springs you can also do ARB bushes front and back, drop links front and back, suspension arm bushes front and back, and lollipop bushes at the front. You can also do the rear-beam bushes but I'll be doing that as part of a back-end refresh.

I'm sure others that are more knowledgeable can fill in any gaps or correct. Good luck to you, it's a flipping minefield as I'm discovering!
 

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@DrWong the dealer will give you a part number. But have no idea about length or colour coding.

I don’t have enough springs/data yet to be certain of what each colour coding means but I’m working on it.

If the VIN decoder says there is no sport suspension then that’s how it was built. I’ve never seen it wrong. But of course someone may have put Sport springs on in a previous ownership including the dealer before delivery.
I think I'm going to see if I can find a part number on either a spring or damper on my car and then cross-reference with RealOEM. That would probably be a sensible step before doing anything else. Will report back!:thumbsup:
 

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I was surprised at the cost for spring and shock replacement. Around £600?
I'm beginning to get mildly horrified by the cost. I think it's closer to a bag of sand if you want to keep it BMW all round:eek:
 

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@Ianmc From the top of my head and from the limited amount of digging I've done since discovering my spring had snapped, along with shocks and springs you can also do ARB bushes front and back, drop links front and back, suspension arm bushes front and back, and lollipop bushes at the front. You can also do the rear-beam bushes but I'll be doing that as part of a back-end refresh.

I'm sure others that are more knowledgeable can fill in any gaps or correct. Good luck to you, it's a flipping minefield as I'm discovering!
Oh, and top mounts and spring pads, front and back:thumbsup:
 

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Just my ha'penny's worth on prices, when I changed my 2.2 Sport spring in 2017 it was just shy of £100 with forum discount from Sopers. I did do both sides as well:eek:.

Edit: Just looked and the bill was £191.76 for 2 Sport Springs and mounting pads.
 

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Just my ha'penny's worth on prices, when I changed my 2.2 Sport spring in 2017 it was just shy of £100 with forum discount from Sopers. I did do both sides as well:eek:.

Edit: Just looked and the bill was £191.76 for 2 Sport Springs and mounting pads.
So £100 per BMW spring right? That would be consistent with my understanding. As rough rule of thumb, BMW prices seem to be double the aftermarket.

I might just bite the bullet and get springs from BMW after giving them my VIN. Shocks are still up for grabs though! As long as I don't have flipping Sports suspension, in which case it might have to be BMW again:(
 

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I think I'm going to see if I can find a part number on either a spring or damper on my car and then cross-reference with RealOEM. That would probably be a sensible step before doing anything else. Will report back!:thumbsup:
No springs on realoem. You have to give your VIN to the dealer.

You may find a part number on the spring. But they are on a plastic tape that normally drops off after a few years. It’s still not going to help you unless you buy from BMW. Then you may as well just give the VIN.
 

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Good point re: springs and realOEM @mrscalex

But if I can find a part number on a damper and cross reference with RealOEM, that would tell me if it was a Sport or non-Sport damper that was fitted? Assuming it's original suspension, which I strongly suspect it is.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for it to be non-Sport and was under the impression that's what it was until you mentioned the red marks haha.
 

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Good point re: springs and realOEM @mrscalex

But if I can find a part number on a damper and cross reference with RealOEM, that would tell me if it was a Sport or non-Sport damper that was fitted? Assuming it's original suspension, which I strongly suspect it is.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for it to be non-Sport and was under the impression that's what it was until you mentioned the red marks haha.
Yes you can check struts/shocks okay. Don’t rely on what I said about the colour markings. Too early for me to be certain.
 
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