I think I should be laughing but I don't know what cut and shut means. Please explain.
KEYS ?
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bonzo
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Where one good half of a car is bolted to another good half of a different car, then sprayed and tarted up to make one good (looking) car.
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Hence why Bonzo has keys not giving to the period of his car.........
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I wondered why the paint changed colour slightly halfway along the body! Not to mention the matching weld line on the underside! 
I find a nice row of evenly spaced "pop" rivets are much more pleasing to the eye than a seam of weldI wondered why the paint changed colour slightly halfway along the body! Not to mention the matching weld line on the underside!
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Yeah, The Rat Look!I find a nice row of evenly spaced "pop" rivets are much more pleasing to the eye than a seam of weld
I think that you will need to get one from the dealer and you will need to show them your car documents. (is what I have read on other forums) and they will sell you the finished item, i.e. programmed to your car. Might cost a bit more but will save you a lot of mucking about.Hey Guys, on the subject of keys...
I will need to get a duplicate key for my 2001 2.2i Z3 next week. I only have 1 key. I am thinking of buying the new blank key complete with transponder from Ebay and just getting it cut, then I can program it myself as per the instructions in the forums. I ask:
1. Can this key be easily cut and how much should it cost? [approximately]
2. If a key is lost or stolen will the key be electronically disabled once a new key is created and sync with the car? The reason I ask is it could be easy if someone gets a hold of a key to my Zed [and knows what it looks like] and then when I return to the same spot use that lost key to get in and drive it away! [probably to be broken and sold as parts on this site
Thanks in advance.
Wanted a second key for our Smart shopping trolley.
Went to a Smart specialist who said that he had one. He only had the body part of the key so I got sent to see the Merc dealer who did have one but could not program it so got sent to one of the last Smart Car Centers in the country. Put some KM's on the trolley I must admit.
Merc charged me for the key and Smart charged me for the programming. The wife then asked for the code for the radio as the car had had a flat battery. No problem said the Smart man, Euro 100 please. I told him to have a nice day and I told her to sing in the car. (not when I was with her)
Your a man after my own heart Mike.
Recently, on my 98 Z3 2.8 I had a new lock, new barrel, new transponder & two new keys (the later version with the unlock buttons on the key itself), all fitted & programmed by BMW as keys & locks are one of the few issues I believe are best left to BMW, despite the silly high cost. A few points worth noting (as explained to me by BMW) if you are not aware of them already:
1. The Transponder hoop (around the ignition key lock) does not require reprogramming to a particular key. It only transponds information within the ecu that must match with the key. It is the ecu that must be reprogrammed with each key, not the transponder itself
2. The 'BMW Spare Key' (no button) does not have 'open button/alarm & cannot start the car. Only open doors etc
3. If like me, you want two fully functional duplicate keys (with buttons), you must first get the additional key also matched to the ecu & then change the two keys around every month (can't remember the exact time period) as the ecu will 'forget' a key after a period of time if another key has been used (like it will assume it has been stolen/lost ...security feature) & will cease to be recognised by the ECU so the door open button/alarm/engine start will not function. The way to avoid this is two use BOTH keys interchangeably
4. The ECU has a limit on the number of keys it can be programed to which I think is about 10 keys. I believe it is a major reprogram job/new ecu (don't know the details) if you want to go above 10 (or whatever the exact number is). So unless you have had your Z3 from new, this is a point worth noting. BMW can tell you which key number you are up to when programming a new key & I was suprised to find out I was already on key number 7 & I had been wrong to assume I had the original keys just because they looked old & worn (I have owned my Z3 since 2010). I am not sure if reprogramming a key that has been 'forgotten' by the ecu counts as another new key or not in terms of the 10 or so maximum number of keys allowed.
Hope this is of interest and was as explained to me last week by BMW Hong Kong when fitting my new transponder and indeed, they did not need to reprogram the ecu & just made the change (or so they told me as I waited in the office drooling over the Yummy receptionist girl serving me coffee... )
1. The Transponder hoop (around the ignition key lock) does not require reprogramming to a particular key. It only transponds information within the ecu that must match with the key. It is the ecu that must be reprogrammed with each key, not the transponder itself
2. The 'BMW Spare Key' (no button) does not have 'open button/alarm & cannot start the car. Only open doors etc
3. If like me, you want two fully functional duplicate keys (with buttons), you must first get the additional key also matched to the ecu & then change the two keys around every month (can't remember the exact time period) as the ecu will 'forget' a key after a period of time if another key has been used (like it will assume it has been stolen/lost ...security feature) & will cease to be recognised by the ECU so the door open button/alarm/engine start will not function. The way to avoid this is two use BOTH keys interchangeably
4. The ECU has a limit on the number of keys it can be programed to which I think is about 10 keys. I believe it is a major reprogram job/new ecu (don't know the details) if you want to go above 10 (or whatever the exact number is). So unless you have had your Z3 from new, this is a point worth noting. BMW can tell you which key number you are up to when programming a new key & I was suprised to find out I was already on key number 7 & I had been wrong to assume I had the original keys just because they looked old & worn (I have owned my Z3 since 2010). I am not sure if reprogramming a key that has been 'forgotten' by the ecu counts as another new key or not in terms of the 10 or so maximum number of keys allowed.
Hope this is of interest and was as explained to me last week by BMW Hong Kong when fitting my new transponder and indeed, they did not need to reprogram the ecu & just made the change (or so they told me as I waited in the office drooling over the Yummy receptionist girl serving me coffee... )
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One for the Knowledge base, guys?
Please post pics of YUMMY!!
Sailorbaz
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This is a great piece of information, many thanks for sharing it.
My car has the original key, original transponder ring (ignition barrel) and original ECU however, this wee box of tricks I have to replace due to a fire...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/1213...ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108
Will I have to code this also, or is this just a relay? If I do have to code it, will Edibas/Inpa and the likes do it?
I like the way you think.........Not to be confused with a real 'housebrick' which is useful if you lock all the keys in the car and need to smash your way in!
Ah Yes I could do with a few spares . Anybody?Hey Guys, on the subject of keys...
I will need to get a duplicate key for my 2001 2.2i Z3 next week. I only have 1 key. I am thinking of buying the new blank key complete with transponder from Ebay and just getting it cut, then I can program it myself as per the instructions in the forums. I ask:
1. Can this key be easily cut and how much should it cost? [approximately]
2. If a key is lost or stolen will the key be electronically disabled once a new key is created and sync with the car? The reason I ask is it could be easy if someone gets a hold of a key to my Zed [and knows what it looks like] and then when I return to the same spot use that lost key to get in and drive it away! [probably to be broken and sold as parts on this site
Thanks in advance.
After doing a lot of research I have come up with the following and summarize:
If you want to get a replacement or new key there are options.
Option 01. Order a new key from the Stealers. Dealers can program they key to your ECU so it will start the car immediately but they key comes from their factory somewhere. It should only take a few days for them to order one in.
Option 02. Get a local locksmith that can cut and program another key for you. Programming of the transponder so the key can START the vehicle is the tricky part. Professionals can do that which is expensive. Mind you they just plug a device into the OBDII and run a program editor and syc the key.
Option 03. Buy your own key from Ebay. First Then get the key cut so it can go into the barrel. Doh! Programming the key to open/close doors/ alarm is easy and there are several sites that detail this. Usually involves turning they key in the ignition and holding buttons on the remote blah blah. Here is one: http://www.autolocksltd.com/car-manufacturers/bmw-lost-car-keys/ however this key will not start the car unless the transponder/ECU is programmed so see the hint below. This type of key is good for getting access to the boot or inside in case you lock your original working key inside.
TRICK:
If you have an existing working key and just want an additional key, or more keys, take the transponder guts from your working key and mount it behind the ignition barrel in the car. Cut as many keys as you want as the car is fooled into believing that you are using the same key. Careful about insurance or previously lost keys with this option!
My quest for a duplicate /additional key continues. There is no way I am going to pay $620 to the stealers for another key.
Oh, if anything I have posted here is incorrect let me know and I will edit and re-post. Finding clear and accurate information on keys is hard to find. I want to make it easy for the next 'newby' that comes along.
Cooper
If you want to get a replacement or new key there are options.
Option 01. Order a new key from the Stealers. Dealers can program they key to your ECU so it will start the car immediately but they key comes from their factory somewhere. It should only take a few days for them to order one in.
Option 02. Get a local locksmith that can cut and program another key for you. Programming of the transponder so the key can START the vehicle is the tricky part. Professionals can do that which is expensive. Mind you they just plug a device into the OBDII and run a program editor and syc the key.
Option 03. Buy your own key from Ebay. First Then get the key cut so it can go into the barrel. Doh! Programming the key to open/close doors/ alarm is easy and there are several sites that detail this. Usually involves turning they key in the ignition and holding buttons on the remote blah blah. Here is one: http://www.autolocksltd.com/car-manufacturers/bmw-lost-car-keys/ however this key will not start the car unless the transponder/ECU is programmed so see the hint below. This type of key is good for getting access to the boot or inside in case you lock your original working key inside.
TRICK:
If you have an existing working key and just want an additional key, or more keys, take the transponder guts from your working key and mount it behind the ignition barrel in the car. Cut as many keys as you want as the car is fooled into believing that you are using the same key. Careful about insurance or previously lost keys with this option!
My quest for a duplicate /additional key continues. There is no way I am going to pay $620 to the stealers for another key.
Oh, if anything I have posted here is incorrect let me know and I will edit and re-post. Finding clear and accurate information on keys is hard to find. I want to make it easy for the next 'newby' that comes along.
Cooper
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Holy crap Batman, $620 is 1/5 of what my car cost me. Can this be true? JIM
I don't know what the procedure is for BMW. The ford pick-up I have said with one key, I could get another one at the dealership (for over $100.) But the owner's manual said if I had 2 keys in my possession, I could make more myself. I can't remember exactly the procedure but it seems that you can either copy a key's code and make a clone or program a new key altogether. To program a new key, you needed 2 keys already. There was an advantage to having 2 keys instead of an original and a clone. I'll have to look this up again and get back to you. I did order 4 blanks on e-bay. The cost for programing one if you already have the blank was about twenty of thirty dollars. With 2 programed keys, the truck will allow me to copy as many as I wanted by following their instructions. Does BMW do this? I'd have to look in the owners manual. Frankie
It is true. I have just gone to a local locksmith and he may be able to REPLICATE the key for me. Cost will be $150-$300 but will not include the 3 button remote. That's fine with me I just need a spare key so I always have something to replicate. Nevertheless there is a guy in England that can replicate keys so I will be making enquiries. If someone knows anyone that can produce a key from a photo including the codes on the key itself please let me know.
Technically NO. The ECU can have 10 keys maximum prgrammed from the Dealers however, like I said above in the TRICK, you can put the guts of the key in the barrel area and the car will think you are always using the same key [# 04 for instance]. Then you can have as many keys as you want and the car will start.