I've had better days

Maybe not unlucky but lucky Dave!! (Glass half full)
Glad it all turned out OK for you in the end!
Could be CURTAINS for somebody:ymdevil::ymdevil:
 
Sorry Grumps old chap, but you should be on site when the truck is loaded, your driving it, you are responsible for the load.
 
Grumpy said:
My load went over on a roundabout in the centre of Birmingham. It was strapped securely as always with me so was quite suprised when it went.
After limping it to our nearest depot 30 minutes drive away over the city to get assistance with there folklift it came to light that the loaders on nights hadn't used the correct equipment. The large white item which are 6m in length and around 2ft deep weighting around 500kg each was in a stack of 4 on the left side of the trailer sat on top of a metal stillage. This is fine as long as the loaders put metal bars or strips of wood underneath to stop it dropping inside. We can't see these and trust the loaders have done their job properly. They hadn't! This is what happens.
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Thankfully the curtain although shredded took the brunt of it and no harm was done. If the curtain hadn't who knows what the result could have been.....
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I believe they still see it as Insecure load even with it up against the curtain Dave. Good job traffic cops didn't see it, cost me and one of my old bosses £250 fine back n the early 80s and the load wasn't even on the road, it was hanging in the straps over the side by about 7inches and I was parked up in a lay by waiting for assistance from the depot. Traffic cop coming back from a shout saw it. The shrink wrapping on the pallets was not enough to hold it. The firm changed to metal trailer sides soon after and I still used straps. Don't miss it at all Dave. Only takes some idiot to make you brake hard and all you can think about is, has it moved, even the best drivers can't odds it sometimes. Reackon you done well to get it sorted. Hope the loaders got it in the neck, wouldn't be a bad thing if they had to go out with the drivers a couple of times to see the pitfalls.


Roy.
 
Having gone through the many boring hours of CPC training, very frightening when the ultimate responsibility is with the driver even when operations dictate third parties involvement, followed by incompetence can cause this situation.
Company would also have been held responsible in the event of an accident but ultimately driver takes the brunt.
Respect for the thousands of lorry drivers out there, its not as rosy as it looks
 
When I got my full CPC in road freight operations (National and International) that is needed for obtaining an 'O' licence (as opposed to the later introduced Driver CPC) I don't recall much on loading cargo, but that was back in 1996 when National and International CPC's were separate and you had to sit two very separate exams, the're combined now.
 
Done mine in 1986 and we barely touched on loading for the national. However when I done my HGV instructor course at High Ercal in Shropshire we had to be able to show students how to rope and sheet plus where to use chains. The straps were only just becoming popular then. HaHa you don't see many sheets and ropes being used these days. Did do some work on distribution of loads over various axle weights but must admit in those days if you didn't have the use of a weigh bridge you were very vulnerable to overweight prosecution. After 10 yrs in Army as driving instructor and 19 yrs on the road I Gave up my HGV,PSV and ADI licences in 1993, vowed never to go back, didn't miss all the pressure one little bit, took a job in the prison service never looked back, heart still goes out to the professional drivers of today with the volume of traffic and terrible pressures on drivers being used. Never used my CPC for traffic management but did go owner driver for 7 yrs.(but that's another story)

Rha, Roy.
 
Happy this turned out well for you Dave, probably down to just a moment of non compliance from the loaders, but it could have caused you and possibly an innocent person some serious grief.

Tony.

ps. @Rha , when we were kids "roped and sheeted" had a very different meaning when applied to girl friends back then.;)
 
hard top said:
Sorry Grumps old chap, but you should be on site when the truck is loaded, your driving it, you are responsible for the load.
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Yep and we are reponsible H/T but we can't be on site as the vehicles are loaded during the night for the next day. We check the loads before we strap down but you can't see if they have put the cross bars in when we are carrying Cavalock. We have to trust the loaders have done their job properly. Obviously on this occasion they hadn't! It shall be addressed,I shall make sure the loaders sign the sheet to say cross bars have been used from mow on.
 
billz said:
Wow you are certainly lucky the curtain held could of been extremely serious if it had not. Glad you are ok Dave. Have to admit you are having your fair of sh-t this year mate. Think we should rename you to Unlucky
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It'll iron out Bill. As @brilie says, glass half full!
 
Rha said:
I believe they still see it as Insecure load even with it up against the curtain Dave. Good job traffic cops didn't see it, cost me and one of my old bosses £250 fine back n the early 80s and the load wasn't even on the road, it was hanging in the straps over the side by about 7inches and I was parked up in a lay by waiting for assistance from the depot. Traffic cop coming back from a shout saw it. The shrink wrapping on the pallets was not enough to hold it. The firm changed to metal trailer sides soon after and I still used straps. Don't miss it at all Dave. Only takes some idiot to make you brake hard and all you can think about is, has it moved, even the best drivers can't odds it sometimes. Reackon you done well to get it sorted. Hope the loaders got it in the neck, wouldn't be a bad thing if they had to go out with the drivers a couple of times to see the pitfalls.


Roy.
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Yep it''s not good Roy. If the load had come out altogether and landed on a car below it could have seen me banged up. Yes we checked the loads everyday but on this particular load we had to trust the loader. He let me down, I have a name but haven't a clue who he is. Most of the loaders are Eastern block guys and they don't mingle so rarely get to speak to any of them. If any blame or worse had been pointed in my direction believe me we would have been speaking!
 
actions speak louder than words dave as blackadder said to boldrick what goes come here thud ouch lol
 
katkwak said:
actions speak louder than words dave as blackadder said to boldrick what goes come here thud ouch lol
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First action is to fill out a form out Monday morning which due to its nature goes strict to the top. Fists come after that! =))
 
Must of been a shock for you @Grumpy :p
Glad your ok ;)
 
Hope you have a good weekend :p
 
I know absolutely nothing about lorries and logistics so excuse for for talking complete tosh. Are the curtains just plastic @Grumpy? Would make sense to have some steel cables running top to bottom in the curtain to add some strength for circumstances like this. Wouldn't stop everything from shedding if a load shifts but might just give a little extra safety margin. Would add a few pounds in weight though.
 
Redline said:
I know absolutely nothing about lorries and logistics so excuse for for talking complete tosh. Are the curtains just plastic @Grumpy? Would make sense to have some steel cables running top to bottom in the curtain to add some strength for circumstances like this. Wouldn't stop everything from shedding if a load shifts but might just give a little extra safety margin. Would add a few pounds in weight though.
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They have recently been introduced Ian as load restraining curtains but they are a lot more expensive than standard ones. Good for pallet work but no good for us. When we are fully freighted we carry 21 stillages and are very heavy. Nothing would stop that going if it chose to go over. Like with most firms everything is done as cheaply as possible. I recently had new standard curtains fitted to the front end of my lorry,
They are plastic with a small amount of weave inserted to add strength. The curtains are no match for the metal legs on the stillages should this happen again mate.
 
Grumpy said:
They have recently been introduced Ian as load restraining curtains but they are a lot more expensive than standard ones. Good for pallet work but no good for us. When we are fully freighted we carry 21 stillages and are very heavy. Nothing would stop that going if it chose to go over. Like with most firms everything is done as cheaply as possible. I recently had new standard curtains fitted to the front end of my lorry,
They are plastic with a small amount of weave inserted to add strength. The curtains are no match for the metal legs on the stillages should this happen again mate.
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Oh well - there goes another chance of a mega earning copyright=))
 
Glad it turned out ok Dave as could have been nasty.Never nice to have to pay for someone elses mistake and glad you didn't have to......
 
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