100% agree.
UK (and other countries) politicians have never had it so good - when it goes wrong blame it on Brussels, deflect attention from the real problems.
Then when it goes right take the credit...
UK (and other countries) politicians have never had it so good - when it goes wrong blame it on Brussels, deflect attention from the real problems.
Then when it goes right take the credit...
I'm tempted to abstain on the grounds that I'm not too keen on either option. Having said that, if we leave, whether we stand or fall is down to our own decisions. We would have nobody to blame other than ourselves.
There are lots of problems with the EU, but have we left it too late to leave? Would we end up getting crucified on the way out and then again once we are out? Is too much of our infrastructure foreign owned?
I'm very disappointed by Europes handling of the migrant crisis, why was Greece left to deal with all those travelling from Turkey? Why wasn't a European task force sent, it is afterall a European border not just a Greek one.
Getting out would resolve the abusive business practices of the likes of Amazon, Facebook and all their cohorts hiding in Ireland and Luxembourg, whilst stripping cash out of our coffers. Having said that, with tonnes of undeclared product arriving into the UK via the post and couriers straight from china, we clearly aren't capable of managing the current level of imports, we'd fail miserably if we had customs borders with Europe as well.
whatever way you turn you are faced with a Bl**dy mess.
There are lots of problems with the EU, but have we left it too late to leave? Would we end up getting crucified on the way out and then again once we are out? Is too much of our infrastructure foreign owned?
I'm very disappointed by Europes handling of the migrant crisis, why was Greece left to deal with all those travelling from Turkey? Why wasn't a European task force sent, it is afterall a European border not just a Greek one.
Getting out would resolve the abusive business practices of the likes of Amazon, Facebook and all their cohorts hiding in Ireland and Luxembourg, whilst stripping cash out of our coffers. Having said that, with tonnes of undeclared product arriving into the UK via the post and couriers straight from china, we clearly aren't capable of managing the current level of imports, we'd fail miserably if we had customs borders with Europe as well.
whatever way you turn you are faced with a Bl**dy mess.
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Great to read people's thoughts.
Not everyone will agree, it's a personal choice.
Keep them coming.
Not everyone will agree, it's a personal choice.
Keep them coming.
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Hello my favorite door handle, you started this thread, you got nothing sensible to post because you just finished your bottle of brandy?
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Nope, I'm waiting for more information before I make my final decision.
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If we are so f***ed up why are tens of thousands of migrants busting a gut risking their lives to get here? We are the fastest growing economy in the EU with the lowest unemployment in decades. Is that due to our membership-------No. We do more trade outside the EU than within.Do you think if we leave other members will disown us------No if we have the goods and services they want they will buy.
It is estimated if we do not stop it, by 2020 the UK population will hit 80 million.We are quickly becoming a minority in our own country.
It is estimated if we do not stop it, by 2020 the UK population will hit 80 million.We are quickly becoming a minority in our own country.
As far as I can make out we've never really been part of the EU. We don't have the Euro, we have to pay the banks extra to get that so we can go on holiday there. We adopt every stupid regulation Brussels can think up, even if it's bad for our businesses. They import very little from us, we export more to America, China, India in fact every country outside the EU. The benefits we have paid up to all of our lives are now being cut back because according to the EU they apply to every tomski, dickski and harryski that comes freely into our country. We have to share our national health with them as well. When we go to EU countries do we get benefits, free health treatment if we're Ill. No we don't. The only people who benefit from us being in the EU are the very rich who have access to cheap labour, instead of paying a proper wage to English people. Yes stay in the EU if you want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, if you want to see poor hard working English people having to rely on foodbanks to feed their families. Watch our countryside disappear, so that we can build houses for foreigners. Watch our farmers go out of business because they can't compete with cheap EU imported food.
No I'm for out, let us have our country back.
Mike
Rant over!!!
No I'm for out, let us have our country back.
Mike
Rant over!!!
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Good stuff
Without massive reform in the EU, we are better off without it, its a good idea but it is falling flat on its face at the moment
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As Boris said, we might have to leave and comeback to get what we want!
How can a guy who is living in an age of the greatest prosperity be wrong on so many levels ,where are you getting your information ?i get mine all down the pub so it must be right,but I'm not going to correct you on each one but it's not hard to find info if you can be bothered
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I thought you weren't reading this thread anymore
@miller1098 quote: ",America doesn't need us...."
I know you're not speaking for me. I need all the Brits I can get!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hugh please do not be offended, and please correct me if I am wrong, but are Farmers not subsidised by the EU? and if this is the case if I was in that position my views would be somewhat different.
My views are that we as a nation should be able to choose and have control of what happens in this country (that's why we have a voting system) and how we control our borders. We are controlled to a certain degree on how our economy is run, and if it doesn't work out we have to be able to hold our hands up and admit it, some (not all) the decisions by the EU have not taken UK's best interests into consideration. Is it time for a change? We will see. Some of the things that go on are deplorable, production all over the UK have shut their doors and the operations moved to Europe because they can import it cheaper, is this a fair way of trading? With my work we contract for a Blue Chip company, who had a thriving business within the UK, incentives and subsidies meant that the company could still produce the goods but cheaper outside of the UK, we receive on average 10,200 tons of goods per month from all over Europe into our warehouse (A trivial amount in the bigger picture) but it secured 400 jobs, this used to all be produced in the UK. This is now transported by road at a cost of £132 per ton that's over 16 million pound in transport costs per year alone which would pay 400 UK workers £40,000+ per year wages all paying tax, and all these goods are destined for the UK market place does this make sense?
It may be worse or it may be better only time will tell, but if we do or we don't leave it must be a decision by the country as a whole and people should be able to express opinions freely after all Its our money that pays for it.
My views are that we as a nation should be able to choose and have control of what happens in this country (that's why we have a voting system) and how we control our borders. We are controlled to a certain degree on how our economy is run, and if it doesn't work out we have to be able to hold our hands up and admit it, some (not all) the decisions by the EU have not taken UK's best interests into consideration. Is it time for a change? We will see. Some of the things that go on are deplorable, production all over the UK have shut their doors and the operations moved to Europe because they can import it cheaper, is this a fair way of trading? With my work we contract for a Blue Chip company, who had a thriving business within the UK, incentives and subsidies meant that the company could still produce the goods but cheaper outside of the UK, we receive on average 10,200 tons of goods per month from all over Europe into our warehouse (A trivial amount in the bigger picture) but it secured 400 jobs, this used to all be produced in the UK. This is now transported by road at a cost of £132 per ton that's over 16 million pound in transport costs per year alone which would pay 400 UK workers £40,000+ per year wages all paying tax, and all these goods are destined for the UK market place does this make sense?
It may be worse or it may be better only time will tell, but if we do or we don't leave it must be a decision by the country as a whole and people should be able to express opinions freely after all Its our money that pays for it.
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I agree with what you are saying,we do get subsidies from the EU but they are affected by the strong £ would that have something to do with your bussnes,I worked in a textile company in our village for a couple of years the work went to Bulgaria and the Far East because we couldn't compete with their wages.change from the inside, were always better as a team that can work together.express your feelings but please support them with facts that stand a little scrutiny
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The main problem as i see it is not the EU but the way our previous Governments negotiated the deal when joining. They did not see (as all Politicians are short sighted) the influx of EU Workers coming into our country to get a better wage/benefit. I mean most Nations speak English so why would they think like that. If all the British Citizens could speak one of the EU Languages how many would be living abroad now if they could get benefits that were better than there income in there own country and also claim for the children still living in there country. Our Benefits are better than most other country's wages. (Thats why they come)
I believe the EU should be made up of a band of Elected MPs from each country (we vote them in) so if we wanted to have a Farage, Galloway a Cameron and a Boris or a group of total Euro Sceptics then that would be our team fighting for what the people want. Not having EMPs voting for who they would like to work along side for an easy ride. There is a lot wrong with the EU but it is (as usual) the Political ARSES who run it.
I believe the EU should be made up of a band of Elected MPs from each country (we vote them in) so if we wanted to have a Farage, Galloway a Cameron and a Boris or a group of total Euro Sceptics then that would be our team fighting for what the people want. Not having EMPs voting for who they would like to work along side for an easy ride. There is a lot wrong with the EU but it is (as usual) the Political ARSES who run it.
Yes Hugh your chart appears to show that we import 4.6 £Bn from Germany and Export 2.1 £Bn to Germany No figures I can see overall for the EU to and from Great Britain???????? Where as We Import 2.6 £Bn from the USA and Export 3.3 £Bn to the USA.
I may be wrong But not on that Data I'm not.
Mike
I may be wrong But not on that Data I'm not.
Mike