Z3 3.0 2000 “Project White Elephant”

Martin Sullivan

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Good progress Martin to get a better finish with expoxy paint I went over it with a gloss type roller brush they don’t last long as the paint makes them elongate a bit but at least it improves the finish in visable areas that I sprayed over after. Nice to have the BC’s and have options.
That’s an interesting idea. I’m just using sub £1 brushes, they’ll never give the best finish but I bin them after 1 use.
I haven’t decided how to paint and finish the rear end components so that might be a good way forward.
I was thinking about rigging up a spray booth out of thick plastic sheet but I probably won’t. Too much work for the amount of return.
 

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@mrscalex @Lee i need some guidance.

I want to clean up more rust and ideally would remove the front crash panel - I don’t know it’s technical name.

I don’t fancy drilling out the welds but that is the only way to get it off.
Will the spot welds need re-welding? What about using rivets? What about leaving them as holes?
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You could replace the welds but personally I wouldn't bother unless you can do it yourself. You have bolt threaded fasteners remaining to hold it together. Many things are "spot welded" together at the factory simply for ease of production, ie keeping components aligned during assembly.

Tony.
 

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Decent spot weld drill bits are expensive, so if you're not going to re-weld then you may as well drill them straight through, using drill bits you already have?

Tony.
 

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That’s great info and as I expected.
I was going to start drilling and then hesitated.
@Synclare i noticed the different number of welds on either side, it’s good you’ve clarified that.

Thanks guys and thank you for such quick replies too.

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In case anyone else comes across this have a look at this thread:
 
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Dakar Z3

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Hello Martin,
Great job so far, you should be well pleased with your progress,
I’m starting my rear end stripdown In Jan.

john
 

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As already said. No harm done at all by drilling these out even with a regular drill bit. 8mm is more discrete but may leave slim webs of metal you'll have to put a tool through. 10mm will clean out properly but is a bit big. I tend to do the 8mm route with a cobalt bit. Then put a slim chisel behind to separate if I left a little web of metal.

It will go back with no issues. I'm sure BMW had their reasons for spot welding in the factory. But it wasn't for structural integrity in my view.
 

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Right, next question, I thought I knew the answer but apparently not.

The car is Topaz Blue.
The engine bay paint I’ve read is DuPont M8745 which is the matt/flat version of BMW paint code 364.
I’ve tried different paint suppliers but they cant find that DuPont paint code.

Google searching the M8745 code doesn’t help.
 

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Where'd you get that paint code from? This is what my (german) paint label looks like:
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Anyway, I guess you'll have no other option than going to a painter, but it looks like it's impossible to obtain the OEM paint.
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Martin Sullivan

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Getting the right colour for Topas blue is quite easy if you ask for the right thing.

“BMW 364 Underbonnet” is what to ask for. I got the paint from my local Wilco motor supplies. Roughly £15 for 400ml aerosol.
 

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Good to know that, Martin.
Did your local Wilco store have the underbonnet spray in stock or do they fill the spray cans themselves in the desired colour?
Would you mind to take a picture of the paint? I have no idea where to get that here in germany, I'm just curious.
 

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Wilco mixed it up for me. It only takes 5 mins.
I’ve only got a few smears on the lid of the can at the moment, I haven’t started spraying but I hope to in the next day or two so will update with a picture once I do.
 

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A quick update.

The front slam panel has been removed. As advised by others drilling out the spot welds is quick and easy once you're confident in what you're doing. I bought a spot weld drill bit on Amazon for less than £10 which did a tidy job.
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I took the panel to a local(ish) bead blaster who got it back to bare metal for me (£15). I etch primed the panel then used a couple of coats of high build primer finishing off with 3 top coats.

In between all the painting coats / flattening off I cleaned all dust away with Holts Brake Cleaner (£15 5 litres) and lint free cloths (acquired from work) and followed it up with tack cloths (79p each, needed 2 of them).

Inside the engine bay the crash struts? (I don't know their proper term) were keyed with 240 grit sand paper and small grinding wheels / brushes on the Dremel. There was quite a few patches of surface rust including under the seam sealer - which is where the Dremel was useful.
On the suspension towers I keyed the paint with 400 grit paper and used the Dremel to take any rust patches back to bare metal.
I found the trick with the Dremel was to use the finest wheel possible and only use very light pressure to avoid scoring the metal work too much otherwise you spend more time sanding out the machining marks.

I painted the crash struts with U-Pol rust inhibiter paint using a paint brush (I only used about 100ml). I didn't particularly like the application or coverage but 2 coats did the job reasonably well. Once dry I largely flattened it off with 240 and 400 grit paper.
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All areas then had 2 - 3 coats of high build primer. Any raised areas were flatted off with 400 or 600 grit paper in between coats.

I've then used up two 400ml cans of top coat for the engine compartment and front slam panel. I need a third can to finish a few areas.
I sprayed some paint into the lid and used an artists brush to get the more awkward areas of the engine compartment.
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The weather over the last couple of weeks has been wet, cold, breezy and close to freezing. I spent a lot of time meticulously cleaning all the panels to remove any dust or particles carried in the wind etc.
For heat all the spray cans were put in boiling water or left in the house to keep warm prior to spraying which worked well.
The slam panel being off the car was kept warm hanging in the kitchen (I got a lot of grief about that!), sprayed outside then brought in.
The engine compartment metal work was all heated with a hair drier from above, tack clothed then sprayed. To keep the panels warm I used the hair drier from inside the wheel arch to heat the metal, this way you don't heat the paint too much which can crack the paint and you don't blow any crud into the wet paint.
Lots of thin coats proved effective.

Overall I think the finish is excellent.

There is a slight difference in the paint colour. The old paint is a darker richer colour, the new is brighter and fresher - to be expected. I could take the bonnet off and make it all match. But then again...

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Etch primer 500ml £6 x1 (50% gone)
High build primer 500ml £9 x1 (all gone)
Primer 500ml £6 x1 (50% gone)
U-Pol 250ml £7 (100ml gone)
Top Coat 400ml £15 x2 (all gone - need a 3rd can)
 
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Martin Sullivan

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The finish is excellent. I am so impressed with it. In total I’ve spent about 2.5 days doing it very steadily. That includes taking everything off and a couple is other bits.
An easy but time consuming job that’s well worth it.
 

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Hi Martin,

Great job so far, it's pretty much what I did to my car. When you start putting parts back on is when you get the feeling of satisfaction, only you knowing how much effort and work has gone into getting your Z back to where it should be. You should be well pleased with the results so far. Did you remember to take pictures of those strut tower labels before you peeled them off?

John
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Hi John,

Thanks. Your work did guide and inspire me to crack on with it.

I took a lot of photos of them. Where did you get yours made? Can you send a PM or something?
 
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