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For Sale TEN LUCKY Z3 OWNERS AT XMAS TIME

oldcarman

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Being that it's Al can you not just set up a router table to trim the edges down using a carbon tipped straight bit. Would be how I'd go about it! Let the machine do the work. You'll be amazed what you'd be able to knock off with a good router and bit set up. Taught my grade eighters this many years ago and they turned out some amazing pieces. Wish we lived closer together, I'd gladly help you out but add the Glenfeddich into the equation would defo be scary. lol. JIM
 

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The "split" at the top end is where the little ear was which locks into the jig. I'll likely put a small bar across the split to hold the two ends solidly in position. There's some useful little strips left after cutting the 25mm leg of the extrusion down to 14mm which will work perfectly for that purpose.. I've just ordered 200 2.4mm countersunk blind rivets to be couriered out next week... they will be perfect to do the join without interfering with the fit inside the hole of the console...
 

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I considered using the router method, but it's still a lot of setting up to achieve the finish... a guillotine does it in one swift smack, and setting up is a two minute job... cutting the bits out for the corners is dead easy... Dremmel for the short 9mm cross cuts, then run the dremmel cutter along the inner corner of the extrusion back and forth twice, then use a plier to bend the piece up and down and it snaps off.... fine file to clean up and job done... those cut outs are only 45mm long, so not much involved...And yes, if you were close by, I'm sure I'd run out of Glenfiddich in a few weeks... =))
 

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I think I'll put an eBay posting for these once I have one complete - and pics of the black chrome option too... I reckon a few fellas over your way and in Europe might be interested...???
 

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Anyhow, I'm off to the showers and calling it a night... chat later good men...
 

Southernboy

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Hi Jim
Just thought I'd let you in on the cutting of the aluminium... The guillotine guys couldn't do it because they can't hold it, then I spoke to a cnc guy and asked how much to have it milled off - basically wanted around $20 per piece !!! So tha was that, I was back to start again.... I started googling, and amzed to find this is a common issue all over... guys suggesting plasma cutters, band saws, jig saws, radial arm saws, nibblers etc etc etc.... all of which left a lot to be desired in terms of ease of use vs cost vs resultant cut finish.... and then I cam across a comment on one of the forums where a fella mentioned that he used a steel ruler as a straight edge, clamped down to the (1mm or 2mm) aluminium, and a Stanley knife.... Well that brought back some memories from 15 years ago when I had used a Stanley knife on ally too... So, I got my knife and a piece of waste ally, and set about testing the usefulness.... after about 15 or 20 strokes down the straight edge with some pressure, I took the piece out and was delighted to see I had scored a groove about 0.8mm deep... so I flipped the ally over and set up to cut directly along the same line from the opposite side... again 15 or so strokes, and the to pieces practically fell apart - I was cutting 2mm ally - It was thin enough to easily bend and on the return bend action it came apart... so cutting is now solved... dead easy.
Next, I dropped in on the CNC guy doing the radius on the trims,and he reckons I'll have them early next week... He says the finish should be good enough to go directly to the buffing wheel, which is very encouraging. He will also be doing the holes and countersinks for the screws which is very satisfying... So it'll be just the buffing, and then off to the plating guys...
Again, my screws are sitting at customs... I called them today and "maybe" by the end of the week or definitely some day next week... And finally, I am not going down the OE clip in system, mainly because when the leather boot is fitted you can't access the clips to release them if you need to get below the leather boot.... So, found a supplier of double sided foam tape 0.8mm thick.... one side is very sticky - "permanent" which I will fit onto the inside face of the sub frame...the other side is a "removable" stick surface, to which the leather boot will be stuck. That means, one will be able to remove the leather boot, and then re-stick it again and again and again...
So, everything has become so much simpler and more effective.... fitting will need the OE leather boot and plastic frame to be separated from each other, the new sub frame will need an epoxy on the face which fits up against the plastic in the console hole... and then peel off the release paper from the double sided foam tape and stick the leather boot into position, and finally lock the top trim to the sub frame with the 10 screws... Obviously you'll need to wait for the epoxy to set / dry so the sub frame stays locked in the console... But all in all, shouldn't take more than 10 or 15 minutes to fit, and no fiddly procedures...:)
 

oldcarman

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Finally got to PayPal today Barry! Should receive word shortly and please let me know if there's any problem. JIM
 

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I had a splendid morning... I have been using a 25mm x 12mm right angled ally extrusion to fashion the base frame since this was all that was available. It meant trimming the legs down to 13mm and 9mm respectively. This was an issue since it also required filing etc etc, and trying to keep things accurate... Well, this morning I go into a local ally supplier, and take a walk around their shelves looking for someting closer to what I need. Even if it removes one of the cuts for one of the two legs... I come across a 12mm x 12mm section, which I get quite excited about, since I could at a pinch make do with a 12mm x 9mm set-up... This would mean I would only need trim the one 12mm leg down to 9mm...
Anyhow as I'm walking about I see another section, and he only has two 6 meter lengths... but I nearly fell down when I measured the legs with my vernier... 12.6mm x 9,5mm !!! Happiness is finding almost 100% exact fit that I wanted. I bought both lengths and told him to re-order more... The fact that the one leg is .5mm too wide is not a problem. I actually wanted something under 10mm, so i'll live with the 9.5mm. And the minus 0.4mm on the longer leg is not a problem considering I was about to accept a 12mm leg on the 12mm x 12mm section... So now, no trimming required, just 4 small 48mm sections to cut out for the bends in the corners. I have knocked out 10 base frames in around an hour and a half... Using the 12mm x 25mm sections it was taking 35mins to make one. So, a splendid morning indeed....and using the Stanley knife to trim out the 4 small sections has proved to be the cleanest and most accurate method of cutting this stuff. Just some very minor filing where I bend the piece to snap it off...
I am now waiting on the CNC fella to do his thing and supply the top visible part. He reckons he'll have them ready early next week. I can then spend a morning on my buffing wheel to give them all a perfect polish, and then drop them at the plating guys. My screws are still somewhere in customs, but I reckon I'll have them before I get the parts back from the plater. And that will just leave posting them off to you guys.
I must add, the fit of the base frame into the console is as near as damn to absolute perfect, that I can actually say it is absolutely perfect. It is such a snug fit, it almost doesn't require gluing into place. In fact, when you guys get them, I would suggest you might use some of that 2 part epoxy where you brush No.1 onto one surface and No.2 onto the other surface... fit the frame in and leave to set.. You may have to use a little coarse sand paper to slightly rough the plastic on the inside wall of the console to provide a better "key" for the glue, but since it fits so well, I would say you could skip that too... I will do some photographs to go with the fitting guide so you will be able to see what is required - not that it will be in any way complicated...:)
 

oldcarman

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Well done Barry, don't use all this time saved to drink all that Scotch you have stock piled!! lol. JIM
 

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Nice one Barry, sounds perfect, these must be getting cheaper by the day=))
 

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Yeah, you would think... but I had to go through the 25 x 12mm thing first because I was told the other options weren't available... Anyhow, the ally extrusion isn't a major cost anyhow - about $5 for a 6 meter length. It's the rest of the work that's costly. L;aser cutting, and CNC machining and plating...and screws from the UK.... who would of thought an English screw could cost so much...=))
 

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BTW, I went off to the timber merchant and picked up a 32mm thick slab of MDF...850 x 450mm... and a 20mm dowel stick... I'm planning on making a removable worktop for my B&D Workmate... on that I can bolt and clamp and drill into etc etc... The 20mm dowel stick is to make 4 locating pins which will fit into the holes of the OE top and then by cranking the handles on the OE jaws, it'll lock the MDF top solidly by applying pressure to the dowels... MDF was an off cut, so I only paid $12 for it...
 

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My fat slab of MDF with the 4 locating dowels glued in. I'll flip it over and countersink 4 x 5mm x 40mm wood screws into them when the glue has set a little.
I have a can of Hammerite black somewhere, which I'll use to keep the weather / damp out. I ended up using 18mm dowels so it would easily drop into and withdraw from the 20mm holes in the OE jaw tops. Once in those holes, It's just a matter of cranking the handles in or out to lock up against the dowels.
You can tell I'm also in "waiting" mode... I've done all the gearshift surround sub-frames, and everything else I can do.... so now waiting for the CNC guy Patrick to weave his magic.... I think I'll drill 4 holes to mount the buff machine on this top so I can do the buffing outdoors. It's a messy process with blackened fluff sticky with polishing paste in it flying about... I'd rather mess outdoors at the bottom of the garden.

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oldcarman

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And what's better than being outdoors enjoying a brew or two Barry?? Looking good buddy, carry on!! JIM
 

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Well all is good from the CNC guy... I'll be collecting the machined parts tomorrow morning and bringing them home for the buff / polish before taking them to the plating guys on Wed. I'm hoping I'll ger them back by Friday or latest early next week and can post them off... so, seems like Xmas will arrive earlier than anticipated...:)
 

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More good news, I collected the screws today. They finally cleared customs....also, got around to applying a sealant to the new B&D Workmate jaws I made, completed now including the V routed down the length of the inner edges for clamping round objects...

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I am so excited about collecting the tops for the gearshift surround.... See pic below - He sent me that this morning before he had done the little recesses for the screw heads... He drilled and threaded the 10 holes to anchor the part to a base plate which then was held in the CNC machine whilst it cut the radius across the top...

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More good news, I collected the screws today. They finally cleared customs....also, got around to applying a sealant to the new B&D Workmate jaws I made, completed now including the V routed down the length of the inner edges for clamping round objects...

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I am so excited about collecting the tops for the gearshift surround.... See pic below - He sent me that this morning before he had done the little recesses for the screw heads... He drilled and threaded the 10 holes to anchor the part to a base plate which then was held in the CNC machine whilst it cut the radius across the top...

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Thats looks excellent Barry, can't wait to get it on the new console,
 

oldcarman

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Sure saved you a lot of work Barry! Can't wait to see the black chromed item. Carry on my good man!! JIM
 

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So, dropped off the parts with the Doctor this morning ( I asked about his Doctorate - Mechanical ).
He was suitably impressed with the level of polishing on the parts and told me I could get them in 4 days... I guess that means Monday / Tuesday... All being done, I should be posting by Wednesday next at the latest...
 
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