I S What do you think

[Southernboy]

At the risk of outrage I will say this.
If every Brit was obliged to spend 2 years in South Africa - post "apartheid"... they would understand the mentality and behaviour of those peoples who are less able. This lack is not because of being previously dominated or denied the opportunities by the "ruling" class. It is a cultural evolution which has been there since we climbed out of the trees and stood on our hind legs. Wherever there is anything like "value" you will find them living off the fruits of those who are capable. They were aptly summed up some 100 plus years ago by an American "explorer" who embarked on a mission to discover the source of the Congo river. He observed - " These people will never amount to much. They have no need of much clothing since the climate is never harsh, they have no need to cultivate food since there is an abundance growing and roaming the forests. They have no need for education or improvement of any aspect of their lives since all the basic requirements of a comfortable existence is a short walk from their homes."
One must look beyond the race issue. His observations were astute regarding a cultural evolution of the people.
Today, nothing has changed much. Wherever there is "value" they gravitate. The opportunity exists to get something for nothing, and if at asking they are refused, they become belligerent and surly, feel they are being discriminated against, and resort to violence against the hosts.
I have electrical cuts several times a week because the country doesn't have the generating capacity to supply the population. A short drive into one of the informal settlements which have erupted around every major city will show where that power is being "abused". They have "hooked" up directly to the power lines, and then run a distribution network to their shacks. "Free" electricity... they do it with water too... So, as you can understand, they still feel the entitlement to step out of their homes and take whatever resources are to hand.... and if they are castigated for their thievery, they become violent.
Reality has nothing to do with race, but a lot to do with culture. Oh, and all that "lost" electricity has to be paid for - guess who pays.
Whether African, Muslim, Malaysian or whatever... they have all enjoyed a comfortable evolution of plenty for little effort.... why the hell would you want to change when Britain coughs up all the benefits for free ?
IMO the world is closer to a "3rd world war" now than at any time during the cold war years.... I expect the haves will eventually get p'd off with having their historical investment eroded by ungrateful lazy and incompetent types.... it's only a matter when - not if. It's almost time to clean house again.

 

[oldcarman]

It is also an economical situation as well as cultural. When international economies crumble the chance that WW3 lies in wait. JMO JIM

 

[t-tony]

I have heard those same comments about Africa since I was at primary school and at many places in between then and now. Although I've not experienced it 1st hand I will absolutely agree Barry.

Tony.

 

[oldcarman]

We had many South African Drs here in the 90's and they spun the same type tales which lead them to leave their practices, homes, family, etc. only one couple moved back as far as I'm aware!! JIM

 

[hard top]

As I have said before, these are clans, the west will not do anything (boots on the ground) as they don't know specifically who to target. Its a lot different than fighting a dictator but then again, we know these clans need dictators.

 

[Twin Turbo]

I agree its not an race issue its an cultural issue, I am not an Christian - but have values that we are conditioned with - as I understand that most religions have the same basic values - and the karan as I understand is an "way of life" and handbook or manual in how to live. I find so many religious people hypocrites but find the topic very interesting. I dont care in what you beleive in, as long you treat people with respect and respect there values. But you could argue we are now in an world war - as these act of terror are happening world wide.

 

[t-tony]

There are very few countries that have not been affected directly or indirectly by this current trouble.

Tony.

 

[BMBabe]

I agree with if they leave the UK LEAVE THEM THERE!! We don't want them back!!!!! They all need shooting!!!

Sounds harsh but this world is falling to pieces!!

 

[t-tony]

Well, what about this then. After the shootings at an Alabama church and all the repercussions Walmart have said that they will ban all things that include the Confederate flag. Take a look at this then.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddri...nstead-made-isis-cake/ar-AAcioMK?ocid=U207DHP

Somebody needs their arse kicking I think. Walmart own ASDA, now you know.

Tony.

 

[oldcarman]

How friggin pathetic is that Walmart!! I personally don't shop there but this is the stupidest crap they've come out with in a while. JMO JIM

 

[FRANKIE]

How friggin pathetic is that Walmart!! I personally don't shop there but this is the stupidest crap they've come out with in a while. JMO JIM

If I was making cakes at Wallmart and some Polish guy came in and asked for a cake with the words in Polish on it saying: "Fxxx You America" and I couldn't read Polish but understood the word "America", I might ask him what it said in English. If he said it's a 4th of July cake that says :'Happy Birthday America" in Polish, I would have no reason not to believe him and make the cake as he wished. Why would I want to offend him? He's the one being dishonest. I would have nothing to regret. Frankie

 

[FRANKIE]

Can't help myself but agree with you there Bill. There are a few vulnerable and misguided individuals in the mix though.

IS are probably the biggest problem to face the world since Nazi controlled Germany in my opinion, and it's an education issue as much as anything. I'm not sure exactly what would make you want to want to leave the UK and go and live in the middle of a war zone under tyrannical control...

@GazHyde's quote: " I'm not sure exactly what would make you want to want to leave the UK and go and live in the middle of a war zone under tyrannical control..."

Is it possible that it's a reaction (from what I can see from you guys) to what you call "MOT"???? Frankie

 

[FRANKIE]

At the risk of outrage I will say this.
If every Brit was obliged to spend 2 years in South Africa - post "apartheid"... they would understand the mentality and behaviour of those peoples who are less able. This lack is not because of being previously dominated or denied the opportunities by the "ruling" class. It is a cultural evolution which has been there since we climbed out of the trees and stood on our hind legs. Wherever there is anything like "value" you will find them living off the fruits of those who are capable. They were aptly summed up some 100 plus years ago by an American "explorer" who embarked on a mission to discover the source of the Congo river. He observed - " These people will never amount to much. They have no need of much clothing since the climate is never harsh, they have no need to cultivate food since there is an abundance growing and roaming the forests. They have no need for education or improvement of any aspect of their lives since all the basic requirements of a comfortable existence is a short walk from their homes."
One must look beyond the race issue. His observations were astute regarding a cultural evolution of the people.
Today, nothing has changed much. Wherever there is "value" they gravitate. The opportunity exists to get something for nothing, and if at asking they are refused, they become belligerent and surly, feel they are being discriminated against, and resort to violence against the hosts.
I have electrical cuts several times a week because the country doesn't have the generating capacity to supply the population. A short drive into one of the informal settlements which have erupted around every major city will show where that power is being "abused". They have "hooked" up directly to the power lines, and then run a distribution network to their shacks. "Free" electricity... they do it with water too... So, as you can understand, they still feel the entitlement to step out of their homes and take whatever resources are to hand.... and if they are castigated for their thievery, they become violent.
Reality has nothing to do with race, but a lot to do with culture. Oh, and all that "lost" electricity has to be paid for - guess who pays.
Whether African, Muslim, Malaysian or whatever... they have all enjoyed a comfortable evolution of plenty for little effort.... why the hell would you want to change when Britain coughs up all the benefits for free ?
IMO the world is closer to a "3rd world war" now than at any time during the cold war years.... I expect the haves will eventually get p'd off with having their historical investment eroded by ungrateful lazy and incompetent types.... it's only a matter when - not if. It's almost time to clean house again.

It's the same over here. Many people have learned how to 'work the system'. They get all the benefits for people who are supposed to be really in dire circumstances. They get as much as they can for free. There are people I know who are getting free medical benefits. They don't want to go to work because they'll lose those benefits. They also get free subsistence for food and lodging. This is all lost if they go to work. The government offices responsible for giving this out have had their work force reduced due to economic and budget restrictions so there is no one to police the system. And so it goes on. My taxes go up. There is an educational program called "No child left behind". Everyone gets promoted to the next grade one way or another. It used to be if you were left behind, you exited the system when you were no longer required by age to go to school. How many of these people, in years gone by, got sick of their situation and busted their tail to improve themselves? Many of these people achieved greatness. They just didn't want to remain poor or stupid. Many of the things that made our countries great were made or developed by people who had to come up from the floor to make it to great heights. When you let everyone slide by, there is no longer any incentive for achievement. Frankie

 

[TaffZee]

My tuppence worth, because in the ridiculous PC around the world these people are taking advantage of this and doing things that they would not get away with 20 years ago.

If anyone wants to live in another country they should be made to swear an allegence to that country and its people regardless of religion, and if they break that oath should have their privileges revoked immediatly.

I wonder how we would all feel if this effected us like it did the family of Lee Rigby or those people in Tunisia, until it strikes home it is so easy to do "The Correct Thing" This is just the start and the west needs to stand against these terrorists before it is to late, tighter controls and laws are needed for people wishing to live in our countries

 

[Southernboy]

Did someone use the "PC" idiom ? Here's a thought. There was a time in Britain and Europe and for that matter globally, when a carpenter taught his son the trade, or a baker, cobbler etc etc etc.... This was a sound system of imparting knowledge and skill within a society. Where we see the same thing happening today it is considered a violation of "child rights" or commonly "child labour". It is significant to consider the reality of those societies where this practice is considered "normal". Other than learning a skill or trade, many of those youngsters would be useless and dependent on the state or resort to criminal means to survive. No doubt some of them will go on to become owners of SME's but for the most they will have the skill to earn a meager living and get by. Child labour is only a crime when it is forced, and then can be termed "slavery". Britain at one time had the "Landlords" and there were the commoners who worked their lands etc etc for a pittance. From that system developed a country which colonised the world, defeated Napoleon, Hitler, the Spanish and a few other upstarts who sought to impose themselves.
PC.... "Political Crap". Morality is the lack within a society which invokes PC as law. Religion was the social means to instill a common morality. It allowed the masses to commonly accept "norms" whereby they could live reasonably as a group, and use a "higher" power to arbitrate their behaviour. Since the demise of "institutionalised" religious teaching in schools, the general morality of society has diminished, and PC laws have supplemented what was once a common understanding amongst people. Laws do not carry the burden of "social morality" as did religions. There is no "if the law doesn't catch you. God will in the hereafter" aspect... hence no morality.
The extreme of religious doctrine is historical insofar as Christianity has been responsible for "crimes against humanity". At that time it was a simple act of war and "humanity" was a PC term which lay in the future - post the "enlightenment"... Some doctrines have not kept pace with the changes, and we see them as "barbaric" and out of step with "humanity".
It is significant that those books / tales of Arabic adventures portrayed the Arab as a devious sneak who could not be trusted... in fact the word "assassin" has it's root in Arabic.... One must ask why this image of the Arab became pervasive. Was it mere literary fantasy, or did it have some real basis in cultural behaviour... To me it seems apparent that it is a real aspect of that culture.
The time has indeed come to drag Islam into the 21st century, willingly or otherwise and if needed, by it's beard...

 

[pgunter]

I knew this world was going to pot when the construction trade started getting PC

Man Hole ----- no........ access chamber....
Black Top------ no......... Wearing layer...
Black Board------ no...... Chalk board....
White wash------ no...... Lime wash.....
There are loads more..... Mind you... We were first with the unisex loos. We have normally had only one of sites for years. Only the brave dare use them though.

 

[TaffZee]

Where next? Who next? Should we as a world wide nation be ostracized by these Muslim terrorists if they have declared war on everything non Muslim, should we not put this to rights sooner than later. The world needs to stand up to these sadistic murders and say enough is enough,stop all the media from them and wipe them from the face of the earth before it is to late, lock up anyone preaching hatred without question and sod the freedom of speach laws, send a clear message around the world that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated and will be met with immediate force. And if communites within western countries can not stand with us they must stand against us and be treated as such. I for one have had enough of these radical idiots who are out to kill rape torture people for there own gratification that has nothing to do with religion but on power trip to do unspeakable things without reproach, Unless we control this situation as a World community we will regret it for generations to come.

 

[FRANKIE]

Where next? Who next? Should we as a world wide nation be ostracized by these Muslim terrorists if they have declared war on everything non Muslim, should we not put this to rights sooner than later. The world needs to stand up to these sadistic murders and say enough is enough,stop all the media from them and wipe them from the face of the earth before it is to late, lock up anyone preaching hatred without question and sod the freedom of speach laws, send a clear message around the world that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated and will be met with immediate force. And if communites within western countries can not stand with us they must stand against us and be treated as such. I for one have had enough of these radical idiots who are out to kill rape torture people for there own gratification that has nothing to do with religion but on power trip to do unspeakable things without reproach, Unless we control this situation as a World community we will regret it for generations to come.

TaffZee quote: "Unless we control this situation as a World community we will regret it for generations to come."

I don't think we have to wait that long................... Frankie

 

[andyglym]

I knew this world was going to pot when the construction trade started getting PC

Man Hole ----- no........ access chamber....
Black Top------ no......... Wearing layer...
Black Board------ no...... Chalk board....
White wash------ no...... Lime wash.....
There are loads more..... Mind you... We were first with the unisex loos. We have normally had only one of sites for years. Only the brave dare use them though.

Know what you mean mate! My 16 year old lad has applied for a part time job stacking shelves and back of house in a local chain before going to College. Apparently Shelf Stackers are now called "Evening Replenishment Associate"! Oh how we laughed

 

[Southernboy]

I believe the prime motivation at the head of this movement is financial gain. They are using the common idiots to do the "dirty" work. Those idiots are motivated by the "have / have not" syndrome. By that I mean they perceive the haves much as the French did towards their own at the time of their revolution. Also, they view the haves as being "uncaring" because they are reluctant to share their wealth with social beggars. They arrive in Europe with the misconception that they will find themselves better off somehow. When reality sets in and they discover that the "local" dog eats any other dog if he can, the disillusionment sets in. They can't get ahead because they are at the disadvantage of not being a "local" dog, and resentment sets in. That resentment becomes overwhelming to the point that any opportunity to exact vengeance is attractive.
The idiots fall right into the lap of the IS leadership as gun fodder to achieve their aims.
Here we have "poor, uneducated, and unskilled Islamists" with little hope of realising their ambitions within a "foreign" environment. They can't go back "home" because there is nothing to go back to, they can't stay where they are because there is little real opportunity when the locals are also struggling.
They resort to criminal activities such as prostitution or go off to fight for IS and hope there really are 7 virgins waiting for them in heaven when they die in the name of Islam. Why there should be so many virgins in heaven puzzles me. If you ask them why, the logic is that non virgins can't get into heaven... it begs the question - where in hell is your mother....