Handling on uneven roads (self steering)

TaffZee

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I never noticed any difference in the ride with my Z3 when I changed them to poly. only that the car felt more planted and under control on rough roads, this photo is the old type Poly Bushes the new type come in two parts and a lot easier to fit.

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TaffZee

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I'm hearing mixed views about poly bushes. It feels like it's a solution to disguise the issue rather than solving it.
Let me know how your car feels after changing them please.
I'm going to solve rear wheel alignment for the time being and how things go from there.
Thanks anyway :)
Don't understand your comment disguise the issue? 90% reason for the tramlining is the lower rear wishbone bushes, this can be worsened by wheel size, tyre choice, but changing these to poly should be your first move, It does not disguise the problem but goes a long way to fixing what has been recognised as a weakness in the Z3 suspension (From New). OEM bushes will not 100% cure the issue, it may make it better for badly worn bushes but even new OEM bushes allow the wishbone to move on rough uneven roads. Get poly you will not be sorry.

If the car has been tracked without load in the car the tracking will not show as correct, test it drive it around and check it again and I can guarantee that the readings will be different, you are whistling in the wind with the tracking and could spend hundreds of pounds trying to sort it. First step has to be New (Poly) wishbone bushes. and then look at other areas if it does not completely cure the issue.
 
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So I guess I was one of the lucky 10% whose tramlining was cured by matching tyres!

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I have to disagree from my experience.
I fitted poly bushes trying to cure tramlining and it didn't. It just made me apologise to the passenger more for the hard ride
What it did do is lessen the wheel pivoting side to side under heavy braking. (which is not the 'trying to run in a straight line' tramlining)
Tyres are the cure. Dont waste money on other stuff first, like I and a lot of other people did.
 

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Polly bushes solved my tramlining and no difference in ride, If you think about it its only holding the rear of the arm and not really under load from the shocks/suspension also I did change every bush on my mx5 for polly and It may have been a little firmer but not as much as when I changed the springs for lower/stiffer springs also had polly on my Alfa and no real difference except improved steering so basically I have no fear for polly though I have noticed they are different hardness between brands and some people offer different hardness bushes
 

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Be prepared to spend loads of dosh to cure your tramlining issues. Here is what mine took.
Stage 1 -
Powerflex lollipop bushes
Meyle HD drop links
Wheel Alignment.

Zero improvement.

Stage 2 -
4 new Sachs shocks
4 new Sachs springs
4 new Meyle HD top mounts
4 new Hankook Ventus Prime 3 tyres
Wheel alignment

100% improvement.

Biggest culprit turned out to be the front top mounts.

£900+ of hard earned cash, but well worth it.
 

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Looks like I was very lucky then to cure tramlining just by fitting 2 new tyres!.... I later changed the suspension as detailed earlier in this thread, (simply because of the age of the car) and this improved ride and handling. Also had a full alignment (car loaded) carried out.

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Looks like I was very lucky then to cure tramlining just by fitting 2 new tyres!.... I later changed the suspension as detailed earlier in this thread, (simply because of the age of the car) and this improved ride and handling. Also had a full alignment (car loaded) carried out.

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Bonzo.
Did they align the rear wheels? If so how?
Z3 doesn't have any adjustment for rear wheel alignment. ..
 

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Did they align the rear wheels? If so how?
Z3 doesn't have any adjustment for rear wheel alignment. ..
Only if you fit them. Got the eccentric bush type on mine, got rid of most of the negative camber. Other people have fitted slotted brackets to the axle that allow the camber/toe adjustments to be made.
 

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Did they align the rear wheels? If so how?
Z3 doesn't have any adjustment for rear wheel alignment. ..
Correct, I took that as read. I meant they did all the alignment checks on the front wheels.

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My first z3 was a 1.9, terrible tramlining, took the advice of Mr Fishwick and changed the lower wishbone bushes to poly, what a difference tramlining almost stopped, had the same issue with my 2.8, again tramlining changed to poly no more tramlining, no difference in ride, it is obvious that if other issues are involved i.e. worn suspension parts, incorrect matching tyres, non standard wheels (the bigger the wheel the more it tramlines), the problem wont go away, perhaps I was lucky that the only thing that needed doing were the lower wishbone bushes, but for £40-£50 for the part in my opinion is the best place to start (other than tyres) before starting to replace shocks, springs, rear bushes , drop links, the list goes on and on and the car can soon become a money pit. As for harder ride, just don't see how this can effect the ride to that degree, the bushes tighten up the movement to the rear wishbone, the suspension of the vehicle is not effected, the movement is a very small amount which is cured by stiffening up the bush and not the suspension. But I am not saying that what has been said is untrue, but in my experience with these poly bushes. It felt more planted to the road more responsive with the steering, perhaps mine were so badly worn in the first place that any type of new bush would have made a massive difference.
 
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First I fitted after market bushes and tramlining is still there. Then I changed them to BMW original bushes, tramlining is still there.
Now, in any laws of common sense you would've thought if 2 deferent type of bushes didn't resolve the problem, you would immediately think it must be something else.

I need to find out how bad my wheel alignment is, if it's too much out of order I might just rectify this issue as it's obviously needs to be put right. Regardless it will resolve the tramline issue or not.
Also after inspecting rear shocks and springs, one spring is rusty from the lower part.

My logic is to replace what certainly need to replaced for now and then see if things change or not.
I booked the car in for WED to replace rusty springs and I'll change top mounts too. I'll let you all know what's the outcome once it's done

I reckon if alignment are out in rear wheels it means some bushes or spring or top mounts are a bit worn and allow wheels to change position ?

I'm trying to avoid spending £1000s :(

Does anyone know who could check for full vehicle geometry Not wheel alignment near cambridge?
I looked online and the nearest I can see is in leicester! A bit far but I'll go there if I can't find any other place.
 

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As the saying goes, There is more than one way to skin a cat!....And to cure tramlining!

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I was in the same positions as you regarding this issue. I searched hi and low for a solution as I was getting so confused with so many opinions. I strongly suggest that you inspect the bushes and other components. If nothing is OBVIOUS then change the front tires as you need to do this anyway and is easy and inexpensive. IF THAT does not sort your issue then start replacing bushes and such.

What convinced me in the end was someone else complaining of the issue and an experienced user said, "WTF yet another complaint about the same issue, just change the front tires!"

BTW, my front tires looked good and had a lot of tread but I suspect that they were hard due to their age.
 

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do the front tyres first or you will waste money on everything else and still end up doing it.
You have already proved exactly what I did by changing wishbone bushes with no improvement.
You know the front tyres want doing, why wait?
Don't go down that same costly long list that I did without improvement either. However it looks like you are already going that way now

But hey, it's your money
 
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As Gookah said, you need to replace your tyres anyway, so do that first and see if that has any effect. The rust on the springs may just be surface rust which you can get rid of. At the very least make sure you change both springs on one axle line, but ideally all four to balance the compression and rebound rates. Good luck!

Bonzo.
 
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