Can this be legal?

t-tony

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Now, I know it is bloody madness but is it illegal. You can ride electric bikes on the road. Is this any different?
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On a main road, A156 between Torksey and Marton on Sat. 01st May 2021.

Tony.
 
Basically it's not, but who's going to do anything about it until some poor sod wipes him out and gets hauled through the courts.

Electric scooters, skateboards are still required to comply with road traffic legislation regarding licence and insurance in most areas. There are trials being held in some cities where the local authority ones are available to hire and allowed on public roads.
 
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Bonkers!!!

The e-scooters are proving a problem in and around the West Midlands with riders thoughtlessly leaving them anywhere and they are posing an issue for visually impaired people and disabled.
 
They're having the same issues in Orlando. I can accept the use if these things in speed controlled areas such as inner cities, but this Moron was on a 60mph stretch of A road. As Keith said if someone cleans him up over the brow of a hill or a blind bend they will have to live with it.

Tony.
 
Where do we stand legally if we hit one and injure the rider?
 
Where do we stand legally if we hit one and injure the rider?
Most likely in the same position as if you hit any other road user, be it cyclist, pedestrian or vehicle. It will be investigated and if you're found to have been negligent in any way, you would face the consequences.

The fact that they shouldn't have been on the road in the first place would be irrelevant.
 
Up in Glasgow the delivery cyclists are now using the M ways Tony. To be fair, some of them are going pretty quick.
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The student areas are polluted with electric scooters and boards. Unlike above though Tony, they don't wear hi vis. Or lights. I came seriously close to mowing down a young woman before Christmas, who drove straight off a pavement and went the wrong way round a roundabout, giving me an evil look to say I was in the wrong.

Not long ago I saw a cyclist write a car off, came screaming round a corner, easy 25mph, coffee in one hand, just as a guy opened the door of his car. He had looked, I saw him. She took the door out of his hand, somersaulted over the top, landed straight on her arse, STILL holding the bloody coffee! Guy helps her up and she's off, carrying the bike with a mangled wheel, coffee still in hand. He asks a buystander , obviously as a witness, just in case, quick discussion, goes to get back in the car and the door won't shut. Not at all. Even from 50 yards and 2 floors up, I can see it doesn't fit in the frame, not even close. Guy looks up the street, girl is long gone, car eventually leaves on a tow truck.
 
Up in Glasgow the delivery cyclists are now using the M ways Tony. To be fair, some of them are going pretty quick.
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The student areas are polluted with electric scooters and boards. Unlike above though Tony, they don't wear hi vis. Or lights. I came seriously close to mowing down a young woman before Christmas, who drove straight off a pavement and went the wrong way round a roundabout, giving me an evil look to say I was in the wrong.

Not long ago I saw a cyclist write a car off, came screaming round a corner, easy 25mph, coffee in one hand, just as a guy opened the door of his car. He had looked, I saw him. She took the door out of his hand, somersaulted over the top, landed straight on her arse, STILL holding the bloody coffee! Guy helps her up and she's off, carrying the bike with a mangled wheel, coffee still in hand. He asks a buystander , obviously as a witness, just in case, quick discussion, goes to get back in the car and the door won't shut. Not at all. Even from 50 yards and 2 floors up, I can see it doesn't fit in the frame, not even close. Guy looks up the street, girl is long gone, car eventually leaves on a tow truck.

And that is why some say cycles should be registered.

Tony.
 
Basically it's not, but who's going to do anything about it until some poor sod wipes him out and gets hauled through the courts.

Electric scooters, skateboards are still required to comply with road traffic legislation regarding licence and insurance in most areas. There are trials being held in some cities where the local authority ones are available to hire and allowed on public roads.
Hang not so fast! (no pun intended) For now, the area is unofficially grey, with no specific legislation for electric skateboards. Hoverboards, Onewheels and Electric Scooters are all banned in public places but as of yet, Electric skateboards remain unlegislated.
 
Hang not so fast! (no pun intended) For now, the area is unofficially grey, with no specific legislation for electric skateboards. Hoverboards, Onewheels and Electric Scooters are all banned in public places but as of yet, Electric skateboards remain unlegislated.
As there is no specific legislation, they still fall into the classification of mechanically propelled vehicles under the Road Traffic Act. So, they require licence, insurance etc.

Mobility scooters have been legislated for and there are regulations relating to their maximum speed.
 
And that is why some say cycles should be registered.

Tony.
Funny we’re on this, walking to the car tonight two young women grabbed their phones and pointed them vaguely behind me. Turned to see a Deliveroo guy pedalling furiously down the cycle lane, head down, texting away with both hands.
I’m sure it’ll be on Instagram or Facebook by now, with all the other Scottish lunacy this week. Group sitting outside drinking in a hailstorm, deep fried Colin the Caterpillar Cake etc,.
 
As there is no specific legislation, they still fall into the classification of mechanically propelled vehicles under the Road Traffic Act. So, they require licence, insurance etc.

Mobility scooters have been legislated for and there are regulations relating to their maximum speed.
I dont think so 🤷‍♂️
 
I think you guys are referring to 2 different Electric Scooters maybe?

Tony.
 
The problem lays in their description and legal status. They are not yet defined as powered transporters but pleasure devices and fall outside the current legislation, as you can see similar types of powered transporter are mentioned there, so enforcement can be enacted. You can't just lump something new into old legislation because it fits, once their purpose is designated & they are included in S2 --- then bingo, if a user went to court the Judge would throw it out. Why do you think the other types of mobile pleasure devices were re-designated??
 
The problem lays in their description and legal status. They are not yet defined as powered transporters but pleasure devices and fall outside the current legislation, as you can see similar types of powered transporter are mentioned there, so enforcement can be enacted. You can't just lump something new into old legislation because it fits, once their purpose is designated & they are included in S2 --- then bingo, if a user went to court the Judge would throw it out. Why do you think the other types of mobile pleasure devices were re-designated??
That's exactly how it happens. Something new comes along and there isn't specific legislation for it. It therefore gets fitted into existing legislation which may not be appropriate until it generally becomes enough of an issue that specific legislation is introduced.

That legislation is then formed over time through various stated cases where people have gone before a judge.
 
All this fuss because I want some speed when they reackon I’m too old to drive a car. ( no fit state to hold licence) So I’m now thinking going off road, HaHaHa I hear you say, there’s probably no council or farmer willing to grant me permission but it’s not off road like your all thinking, =)) It’s UP off the road, if a sheep farmer can herd his sheep with one what’s to say I can’t go to my local shops using one.:watching: It’s called a wheelchair-buzzer.o_O Just have to make the appropriate noises and your away.
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Not Rocket Science.....................IS IT????????
 
Here in Milton Keynes we have a trial of electric scooter hire, there are at least two different companies doing so, don't know all the rules related to hire but it seems almost anyone can do so, the devices themselves appear very rugged and quite heavy, they are allowed on local roads, pavements and the redway system and are seemly ridden by people(!) with no clue to any safety issues whatsoever, wrong side of the road, cutting across blind corners etc. and they can reach about 30 mph, pass you on paved areas at that speed without any warning (they are very quiet too).
When they run out of battery they are left where they stop, and are not collected for several days which means that every kid in the area tries to use it so it gets moved around pathways, roads, driveways and all this is quite legal apparently because its part of the scheme.
However if as a sensible type you opt to purchase an identical machine for your own use and indeed use it as above, you are deemed to be breaking the law and will be prosecuted.
They might be fun to the users but they have become a real issue, maybe its my age showing here but there will be an almighty incident before long and then the government will wake up and realise this is not the answer to reducing emissions because the people using them are not drivers avoiding their cars......
 
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