Go off the beaten track in the forests of the Belgium Ardens and you are walking on dustbin bags, car batteries, car tires and other assorted crap that has just been dumped.
They have special clean up crews once in a blue moon to do the motorways.
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Go off the beaten track in the forests of the Belgium Ardens and you are walking on dustbin bags, car batteries, car tires and other assorted crap that has just been dumped.
They have special clean up crews once in a blue moon to do the motorways.
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A short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU...
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs.
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.
Still want to stay? Well it must be some consolation that you have Cameron to negotiate in Europe on your behalf.
And of course, the real deal-breaker .... Democracy, transparency and independence. We can vote out our MPs - BUT the European Commission who dictate 55% of UK laws, which are legally binding, are ..... guess what, untouchable, unelected and hidden from view.
(compliments of Jamesbond)
Lee
A short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU...
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs.
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.
Still want to stay? Well it must be some consolation that you have Cameron to negotiate in Europe on your behalf.
And of course, the real deal-breaker .... Democracy, transparency and independence. We can vote out our MPs - BUT the European Commission who dictate 55% of UK laws, which are legally binding, are ..... guess what, untouchable, unelected and hidden from view.
(compliments of Jamesbond)
Lee
Lee and you'r point is
I wanted to stay in for my pension / investments
but my heart said leave
but my heart said leave
however, once we are Out, there will be nothing to stop the EU waving their chequebook at UK based corporations in an attempt to get them to move across the channel.
we still need a mechanism to lock manufacturers into the UK, like "if you you want to build armoured cars for our army, they need to be built here in the UK".
We also need to recover infrastructure suppliers back into UK ownership, no more Scottish Power owned by the Spanish or Anglian Water owned by the French.
The EU subscriptions are not the only way cash flows out of our country.
we still need a mechanism to lock manufacturers into the UK, like "if you you want to build armoured cars for our army, they need to be built here in the UK".
We also need to recover infrastructure suppliers back into UK ownership, no more Scottish Power owned by the Spanish or Anglian Water owned by the French.
The EU subscriptions are not the only way cash flows out of our country.
Same, I voted to leave (if you didn't guess) 
Now I'm slightly concerned that the government did not have a plan in place for this outcome. Such bad management if they were that sure of themselves.
Lee
Now I'm slightly concerned that the government did not have a plan in place for this outcome. Such bad management if they were that sure of themselves.
Lee
Lee when you say government did you mean the two clowns Nigel & Boris? ah Nigel must be OK because he's still being paid as a MEP
op's sorry you meant that other lot
op's sorry you meant that other lot
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Well researched and a hell of a lot of sense in what you've said mate. I have stayed well out of this debate. I don't claim to be the brightest bulb in the pack the the basics I grasp perfectly well. I'm fed up to my arse with people spilling this, that and the bloody other when the majority really don't have a bloody clue! Thank you @Lee for bringing a bit of fact to the table. This isn't about my in or out vote, I type this purely on the reason that someone at last has stepped up to the plate with solid researched facts, which is a lot more than millions of people have done over the last few days and the biggest culprits of all............do I need to say more! Well done Lee, I owe you a litre of the Belgium stuff!!
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I wasnt sure on all of the facts when voting OUT but one thing i knew for sure was that if this was a referendum to vote if we wanted to JOIN the EU then the answer would be NO! im glad that weve finally spoken up and yes shocked a lot of people but we needed this and i hope that people can come together now and deal with the road ahead!
We are great britain and we will be great!
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We are great britain and we will be great!
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These are all good points but unfortunately I don't believe leaving the EU will not stop any of it. The EU didn't own these businesses - they were UK owned and the UK owners decided to move/sell. The U.K. Government could certainly do /have done more to keep UK business friendly but chose/chooses not to.
Grants will be available whether we are in or out- it's a global economy and any country/ group of countries with money to throw around will do so to entice big business to move. UK businesses will still be able to be bought up by foreign investors/companies (Asda/Walmart) in the same way UK businesses can acquire interests in companies abroad. I'm not up to speed on what opportunities the UK government/business took advantage of from being an EU member but I'm hoping it's more than simply cashing in and selling their assets.
The Germans and French own the largest perfumery/drugstore chains in Europe and the U.K. goes and sells Boots! Only one example. The Germans and French have made smart strategic moves in other retail sectors. I can't say for sure but it doesn't look like the UK has taken advantage of the membership to grow beyond its borders in the same way (from the industries I work in).
My view is that this in/out vote has been painted as solution to problems imposed by the EU but many of the problems are imposed by UK government/companies. In/out doesn't change that. If we had a government with a spine they could/can do more to protect interest here and maximize the opportunities of the membership like the other big countries.
To me it seems we got apathetic/lazy leadership and business quick to cash in instead. This is not the EU's doing but opportunistic attitudes of local business and government. Then instead of cleaning up their messes we get politicians saying 'here you the people take responsibility with a referendum'. Makes a joke of democracy when you use it only when it suits and then wash your hands of the consequences. And t
The real question for me is how long and how low will things get before we see proper leadership from our so called government. Because in the end it's us normal folk that pay for all this bad planning and weak government.
And to add some salt to the wound instead of planned departure we go off and state intention to leave and then hope we can strike amazing trade deals from our 'friends' in America/Asia/Colonies. They are all savvy commercial negotiators - they will all want concessions. The US/India/China can afford to acquire what expertise they need from the UK. They know we need to build up our trading with them again but who has the power now- they know we will getting the cold shoulder from EU as punishment for leaving. These countries are not charities and will want plenty in return for increased trading. Our spineless leaders will somehow find a way to blame the EU or somebody else when we sign deals that are costly to us but if they had a plan you can be certain it wouldn't be the way it is/will be.
In/out is the smokescreen for UK government, what will be their next?
Well said Sam, just what we need, more looking forward and positivity. I think everyone has to accept what has been chosen or democracy is dead.
Tony.
Tony.
Dissapointed you fell for this propaganda
http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-fund-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/
can I have some of the Belgium stuffWell researched and a hell of a lot of sense in what you've said mate. I have stayed well out of this debate. I don't claim to be the brightest bulb in the pack the the basics I grasp perfectly well. I'm fed up to my arse with people spilling this, that and the bloody other when the majority really don't have a bloody clue! Thank you @Lee for bringing a bit of fact to the table. This isn't about my in or out vote, I type this purely on the reason that someone at last has stepped up to the plate with solid researched facts, which is a lot more than millions of people have done over the last few days and the biggest culprits of all............do I need to say more! Well done Lee, I owe you a litre of the Belgium stuff!!
http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-fund-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/
i read an interesting article a few weeks ago and it said that basically were in a trance,once we have an idea we as humans like to be right and will avoid views difrent to our own and tune into those that agree with us.(this applies both for in and out voters) but it did make me more aware of trying to look at both sides of the argument and fact checking .whatever your view surely we can agree we have been played buy a bunch of #### that have nothing but their own agendas to promote,this wasn't supposed to happen ,but it was going to further their ambition to get to power in the uk. @Grumpy Farage is off to his home in France he's made sure only his rich mates can join him ####
I can understand people signing these petitions but if these were to be acted on then a democratic vote would have no place in our society moving forward, the group of people that loses any vote in the future would just follow the same route.
Totally agree Hugh, having been through two referendums in as many years they are not pleasant experiences, as you state the politicians that are meant to lead us abandon this very fact and return to playground antics! I do not wish to go through another in my lifetime!
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All of this 'what fact is actual fact or not' just because youve found an article thats called 'ilovetheeu' how do you know thats fact? There has been so many lies formed on both sides. Maybe we'll never know that actual truth but it is fact that whether it was WITH or WITHOUT and EU grant,All of that stuff did happen. Would it of happened if we werent in the EU? Prob not ey? By being in the EU it looks like companys have moved production lines etc etc to save on money/taxes/employment wages or whatever. I think we can all agree that mostly it is cheaper outside of the UK for all of these things. But doesnt it make it right?
Agree we should never been put through this one ,we should never have been put through this one,we put our trust in the people we vote in to understand the workings of the country for us. rather than work on their own political agendas.What I would say how bad will it have to get before we realise it will be in the country's best interests not to invoke article 50 ,and the government do what it's supposed to do and look after our best interests and govern us.