Brake upgrade.
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great write-up, mate! Thanks!
Nice work as always Tony an upgrade i need to do including the clutch delay valve delete 
To be honest Daz I half expected to come across this problem. I've seen it a few times testing cars at work.
Tony.
Daz3
Zorg Legend
It must be a common thing with most of the hose makers. Trouble is majority of people who are going to fit them get round the issue by putting washers on so don't bother sending them back or complaining. You probably did the right thing contacting the company, you'd hope they would have the issues sorted for the next guy that buys some.
More on the brake upgrade, by a rather convoluted route, but bear with me.
At work we have 2 4-post lifts which were installed in the workshop by the then owner British Gas in 1980 and as you can imagine the type of cars these were made for, Avengers, Escorts, Marinas etc. all with fairly good ground clearance and weight as much as a bag of sugar.
In recent times cars generally have got lower and some vehicles such as 4x4s and vans much heavier and in the pictures you can see what the weight has done to the run on ramps on these old lifts. The consequences being that you can't get on or off these old ramps without scraping the bottom of cars and ripping the front splitters off each time. A royal PITA. So yours truly had a brain wave and ordered some steel and modified the run on ramps. Brilliant, even if I say so myself.
You can see how bowed they'd become in effect shortening the run on to about 2/3 of it length and lowering the height by a lot too.
The new bits fitted and such a success that guess what I can now get on these 4 post lifts. Not that this had any bearing on the plans.
Some better pictures of the mods I made to the stainless hoses.
The original joint mounting keeps the hoses securely away from the CV joint @Brian H
The nice parcel delivery man brought these today for the next instalment of the brake upgrade.
Just the pads left to source now.
" I love it when a plan comes together!" That rings a bell.
Tony.
At work we have 2 4-post lifts which were installed in the workshop by the then owner British Gas in 1980 and as you can imagine the type of cars these were made for, Avengers, Escorts, Marinas etc. all with fairly good ground clearance and weight as much as a bag of sugar.
In recent times cars generally have got lower and some vehicles such as 4x4s and vans much heavier and in the pictures you can see what the weight has done to the run on ramps on these old lifts. The consequences being that you can't get on or off these old ramps without scraping the bottom of cars and ripping the front splitters off each time. A royal PITA. So yours truly had a brain wave and ordered some steel and modified the run on ramps. Brilliant, even if I say so myself.
The new bits fitted and such a success that guess what I can now get on these 4 post lifts.
Not that this had any bearing on the plans.Some better pictures of the mods I made to the stainless hoses.
The original joint mounting keeps the hoses securely away from the CV joint @Brian H
The nice parcel delivery man brought these today for the next instalment of the brake upgrade.
Just the pads left to source now.
" I love it when a plan comes together!" That rings a bell.
Tony.
Nice one Tony, that's exactly what we did in my buddie's shop when we had trouble getting the street rods we worked on all scrapped the front lips! And nice delivery, can't wait to read your install thread, JIM
Been looking into what type of pads to use with the new discs and I am leaning towards EBC Ultimax 2.
Ultimax2™ brake pads deliver:
Ultimax2™ brake pad will supersede on a stock rotation basis its predecessor material and customers will only be supplied Ultimax2™ as stocks of the 2012 sell through or they place a specific order for a production run of 100 sets per reference for a dedicated production batch.
If you simply need a quality OEM replacement pad, look no further than the Ultimax2™ brake pad. Made in the UK Bristol EBC Brakes manufacturing plant the Ultimax2™ brake pad is a beautifully engineered brake compound that lasts well, produces minimal dust and is the perfect choice for the urban or daily driver. Why spend more if all you need is a quality replacement pad.
The Ultimax2™ brake pad is a total NON METALLIC pad containing ZERO steel fibre making this a cleaner pad far less aggressive to cast iron brake rotors.
Ultimax2™ has also been graded Code “N” by the USA brake ratings system meaning this receives the TOP award for its environmentally friendly status and has also achieved the much coveted GG friction rating, almost unheard of in the automotive brake Industry.
This equates to a clean pad, that lasts longer, extends disc life and emits ZERO toxicity and is a true PAD FOR THE FUTURE. The brake effect with the GG ratting is truly amazing and delivers powerful braking at first brake application. Ultimax2™ has also been widely tested in cold and damp conditions in Northern Europe and Scandinavia and in the Caribbean hot and humid temperatures where brake noise was ZERO.
Ultimax2™ brake pads deliver:
- Superb daily driver R90 type approved pad.
- Features red “brake in’ surface coating for instant safe braking after install.
- New 100 % ECO friendly material with ZERO sulphides.
- No shims for noise reduction needed.
- More bite from cold.
- Works in hot and dry climates as well as in cold.
- Fully R 90 approved as was the original Ultimax grade.
Ultimax2™ brake pad will supersede on a stock rotation basis its predecessor material and customers will only be supplied Ultimax2™ as stocks of the 2012 sell through or they place a specific order for a production run of 100 sets per reference for a dedicated production batch.
If you simply need a quality OEM replacement pad, look no further than the Ultimax2™ brake pad. Made in the UK Bristol EBC Brakes manufacturing plant the Ultimax2™ brake pad is a beautifully engineered brake compound that lasts well, produces minimal dust and is the perfect choice for the urban or daily driver. Why spend more if all you need is a quality replacement pad.
The Ultimax2™ brake pad is a total NON METALLIC pad containing ZERO steel fibre making this a cleaner pad far less aggressive to cast iron brake rotors.
Ultimax2™ has also been graded Code “N” by the USA brake ratings system meaning this receives the TOP award for its environmentally friendly status and has also achieved the much coveted GG friction rating, almost unheard of in the automotive brake Industry.
This equates to a clean pad, that lasts longer, extends disc life and emits ZERO toxicity and is a true PAD FOR THE FUTURE. The brake effect with the GG ratting is truly amazing and delivers powerful braking at first brake application. Ultimax2™ has also been widely tested in cold and damp conditions in Northern Europe and Scandinavia and in the Caribbean hot and humid temperatures where brake noise was ZERO.
- GG friction rated highest in brake effect
- Top Rated with Class N by the USA environmental testing to SAE J2975:2011
I think these will be up to the job. Any thoughts welcome .
Tony.
Sounds good and it seems they should cover all bases reading the info.
No bedding in required as well as good bite from cold,no metallic particles to damage wheel coatings.
How much are they Tony ? If you don't mind me asking.
Sounds good. Now I've done a few miles with the Pagids I can say that the brake dust is much more than the EBC yellows. Performance has been great- maybe in the summer on some heavy driving I'll find fade but for now in cold weather the bite is great.
Lower dust levels would be nice and seems these EBC's do that.
Do the disc manufacturers maybe have any recommendations for the best material suited to their disc material?
Lower dust levels would be nice and seems these EBC's do that.
Do the disc manufacturers maybe have any recommendations for the best material suited to their disc material?
I should imagine EBC would say EBC, and Pagid would say Pagid... and so on!
Yep they probably would!
Just wondering if some would say something about the science behind it so the best compound/type that works better with their disc material. These low dust/non metallic pads just got me thinking do they work better on certain disc materials than others.
@Dino D here's what M-Tec say on their eBay listing for their discs
Best results will be seen with premium branded pads, although these discs are fully compatible with budget pad types. We can also supply Mintex Redbox pads.
Also,
Motorsport Tunning & Engineering Company established in 2004. We are a UK based company that specialise in the manufacturing and supply of performance brake discs and brake pads. Our discs are machined using state of the art CNC machines which ensure all designs are cut with precision.
Tony.
Best results will be seen with premium branded pads, although these discs are fully compatible with budget pad types. We can also supply Mintex Redbox pads.
Also,
Motorsport Tunning & Engineering Company established in 2004. We are a UK based company that specialise in the manufacturing and supply of performance brake discs and brake pads. Our discs are machined using state of the art CNC machines which ensure all designs are cut with precision.
Tony.
I have mtecs with mtec pads, sharp brakes, but a little noisy as grooved and drilled. And a plenty of dust!
This afternoon, after getting Steve's @Bozzy brakes working better I had a little time to kill so I gave my nice new M-Tec discs their first coat of paint before they get fitted around Christmas time.
As long as Santa plays ball and brings me what I wanted this should soon be a completed upgrade !!
Tony.
As long as Santa plays ball and brings me what I wanted this should soon be a completed upgrade !!
Tony.
That paint is a really quick drier Steve, hopefully get a 2nd coat tomorrow and then back in their boxes till Santa's been.
Tony.
Tony.
Did someone say Santa! 
Yes, but this is the real one Dave, not the one who comes in Florida in the summer!Did someone say Santa!
Tony.