From 1 Jan 2001 Registered Zs - Consultation Closes Very Soon!

ktnez99

ktnez99

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We shouldn't expect a 25 year old car to necessarily meet the 2026 standards but I don't see a problem if my 1999 z3 is expected to meet 1999 emission levels.
 
Like the Government will take any notice of a public consultation, just another way of forcing you off the road imo
 
As per usual, the first part asks you if you’re pro/anti, and if anti they ask you to skip to the end so that your opinions can be ignored, and they can falsely claim a high level of agreement :mad:

I think we need a modern day Guy Fawkes 🎆
 
Just another way to control societies movements. I absolutely loath Government. In no way do they work for the public.

I'm guessing the only way they can enforce this is by MOT and possibly roadside stop checks.

Those cars MOT exempt after 40 years might dodge the issue.

As far as I'm aware my cars running at its best and would pass its emissions part of the MOT, unless they move the goal posts somehow but this enforcement states ' From when it was first manufactured'.

Meanwhile A.I. data centres are going to run the country dry in a very short time, but that private enterprise and not as easy to shaft as the motorists.
 
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Just another way to control societies movements. I absolutely loath Government. In no way do they work for the public.

I'm guessing the only way they can enforce this is by MOT and possibly roadside stop checks.

Those cars MOT exempt after 40 years might dodge the issue.

As far as I'm aware my cars running at its best and would pass its emissions part of the MOT, unless they move the goal posts somehow but this enforcement states ' From when it was first manufactured'.

Meanwhile A.I. data centres are going to run the country dry in a very short time, but that private enterprise and not as easy to shaft as the motorists.
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I've not read the legislation, but my first question would be "define 'it' ".

Is "it" the actual car? Is the date of manufacture actually known. Usually, only the first date of registration is known.
Is "it" the model of the car base type. Is a 2002 Z3 defined by the 1996 standards? Is a 2003 registered 2.2 defined by the 1999 facelift date?
Is "it" the model based on the beginning of the VIN Code? Mine is W.....LBxxxxx. This was first manufactured in 1997.

IANAL, but even I can blast a load of holes through that woolly statement. I hope they are more specific than you suggest.

I've just had a quick read, and I don't see what's different to the current MOT standards. Perhaps @Stevo7682 can advise.
 
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Government is rubbish. They'll go the easy lazy route so id say date of registration as in, Registered after 1st January 2001.
Printed on the V5 are our Co2 readings, I'll guess that was provided by BMW at point of mass production.

I assume if thats maintained that reading you're ok...until they decide its too high for modern life in the UK 🙄

Again, they'll pile the onus on the MOT garage with a big wooden stick hanging over them full of ' conform or be removed from MOT testing' wrote on it...

Or am I getting old a cynical
 
Gatsoburner said:
Government is rubbish. They'll go the easy lazy route so id say date of registration as in, Registered after 1st January 2001.
Printed on the V5 are our Co2 readings, I'll guess that was provided by BMW at point of mass production.

I assume if thats maintained that reading you're ok...until they decide its too high for modern life in the UK 🙄

Again, they'll pile the onus on the MOT garage with a big wooden stick hanging over them full of ' conform or be removed from MOT testing' wrote on it...

Or am I getting old a cynical
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No, I expect that's how they'll do it.

Instead of the MOT station just saying it's a PASS, the actual readings will be uploaded to DVLA. The data has been available for a long time. What hasn't been there is the computer capability to interogate it on a mass scale. It is now.

I used to work in data analysis. In 2003, an MS Access database was limited to 2Gb maximum, but started to fall over at 500Mb. I dread to think what the limit is now.

We were interrogating tables of a couple of 100,000 lines with probably twenty to fifty columns, some were text fields (the worst). You could have a lunch break if you did a "contains query" with multiple arguments.

Think of searching the police database for all Caucasians with blue eyes, over 1.80m tall whose name has the letter P, G and K in it.

Now, the same query is on the screen as soon as you hit the ENTER key.

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I can see problems if a manufacturer brings out a new, cleaner, model before all the previous models have been registered.

For instance, imagine the S50 M Roadster were 350g/km and the S54 M Roadster were 300g/kg

In 2000, both were being registered and sold. Some S54s would have been registered in January 2000 and some S50s would also have been registered in January, but probably sold at a discount, as they were last year's model.

If the S54 emissions is recorded on the DVLA database for BMW M Roadsters registered in January 2000, then all S50s will fail the new test. There is a get-outta-jail clause in the link, but I imagine it will be a PITA trying to use it.


At the end of the day, it won't affect me - not for my BMWs, anyway.
 
My dad's Z3 was an X reg, road tax 375
Mines a Y reg, road tax 460. Same 3.0 car same Co2s. Makes me unhappy
 
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