1.9 M44 EWS 3D Issues

ok so looking at it with a new pin out

Pin 2 - Red/Yellow I get 13.08v
Pin 8 - Thick Green/blk - 10.8v on crank
Pin 9 - Violet/white 12.9v on positions 1 & 2
Pin 10 - Blue 2.6v on position 1&2
Pin 11 - white 2.6v on position 1&2
 
I just noticed that in your other thread the pictures of your code reader show it's in Live Stream mode.

If you just read fault codes (not streaming) what stored codes does it show.
 
I just noticed that in your other thread the pictures of your code reader show it's in Live Stream mode.

If you just read fault codes (not streaming) what stored codes does it show.
I think on the Engine was 6+ constant voltage or something like that and on EWS was 0F reset
 
I'm getting the feeling that your "Terminal 30 Not OK" message is a Red Herring.

If your EWS Red/Yellow wire is holding correct V with key at position #1 and while cranking then it's not a problem with the live feed to the EWS.

If there is a rolling code mismatch between the EWS and DME then maybe the EWS recognizes the key and allows the engine to start but a moment later the DME sees the mismatch and cuts the spark/injectors.

Or. Ignoring all this computer m'larky, on an old school engine in the days before all this tech it feels like the fuel rail primes ok with enough pressure to start but engine dies almost straight away when not enough fuel pressure is maintained.
 
I'm getting the feeling that your "Terminal 30 Not OK" message is a Red Herring.

If your EWS Red/Yellow wire is holding correct V with key at position #1 and while cranking then it's not a problem with the live feed to the EWS.

If there is a rolling code mismatch between the EWS and DME then maybe the EWS recognizes the key and allows the engine to start but a moment later the DME sees the mismatch and cuts the spark/injectors.

Or. Ignoring all this computer m'larky, on an old school engine in the days before all this tech it feels like the fuel rail primes ok with enough pressure to start but engine dies almost straight away when not enough fuel pressure is maintained.
yeah I need to measure Pin 2 on crank, don't think I've got that written down.
 
ok reading through the EWS document, there's an important statement that I had assumed was working or I had missed. So with the key in the ignition, The ring antenna on the barrel powers up the transponder in the key, and from this the key communicates with the EWS. I get this bit and I get a message of "RELEASED" meaning the key has been recognised and allows the Starter Motor to start.

So I assumed everything checked out on the security front..... one thing I haven't done or can check without INPA is.... whether that number in the table matches the in use number in the DME !!

"If the ISN code stored in the EWS module matches that of the DME, the drive away
protection is cancelled and injection and ignition is enabled."


could it be after all this... all I need to do is an EWS-DME alignment ?
 
cheers @Andyboy ...tried that mate and no bueno...the starter motor cranks so I know the EWS is allowing the car to crank...I'm just hoping now it's "just" the lookup tables are out of sync and I need to do a DME-EWS Alignment...that'll put the DME and the EWS both back to row No.1
 
Ignoring Cars for a moment - Sorry. This might be boring

I'm a semi retired software developer. In computer databases we have a thing called 'ACID Compliance'. This is where when two sides of a transaction commit to a new value and if either side fails to commit (ie fail to accept the new value) then both sides fall back to their last known value. Imagine if you sent money to a bank remote account and the network crashed half way through the transaction and the money was reduced from your bank balance but not increased in the recipient's account. ACID Compliance dictates that the whole transaction is undone at both sides so the money isn't lost.

Now back to cars. The EWS and DME are, in effect, two sides of a transaction. They have an ID that changes frequently. Each time it's used the number changes and is updated into both the EWS and the DME so the security 'key' is held in two places. The idea being if a car thief plugged his own hacked EWS and his own key coil into your car that would allow the car to start but the DME would notice, a moment later, that the rolling numbers don't match and cut the fuel/spark before the robber gets half way down your drive.

But the problem is the system is not "ACID compliant" in the same way that computer database are (or should be). So, in the Z3, it is possible for one half of the system (ie the DME vs EWS) to update it's rolling number but because of a duff battery or crashed K-Line the other half doesn't get the new rolling number. They are now out of sync. The car will start but 3 seconds later the DME will cut off fuel/spark.

Not saying that is Matt's problem but it 'could be'.

Sorry. I told you it was boring.
 
think you've described it perfectly @Duncodin !...and this is where I'm hoping a DME EWS Alignment will put the tables back on track...if it does I'll buy everyone a beer.......erm..
 
EWS …. DME need to be … err…… What he said ! …. can I have a beer now. :whistle:
 
Reckon your onto sorting this with a resync EWS/DME, have seen this before, fingers crossed this sorts it.
 
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