Excuse me now who's Impersonating a zorg member eh!There is something missing from this thread can't put my finger on it mmmmm...............
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I'm sure you're less likely to be in an accident if you wear full police uniform and cover your vehicle in livery, however you've got no right to do so. People who wear these do so knowingly to (all be it temporarily) fool people into thinking they're a cop. If everyone looked like a cop, no one would and that gets dangerous. Just look at America's gun laws and compare it to the stats on shootings. Everyone gets a gun and the advantage is removed form those who actually need one. And as for that 12 girl, I'd question what she was doing on a horse on a road.
Once the con is revealed, the rider is considered a t**t. Cruel but true.
Wait a minute Wait a minute, does that give us all the right to wear one of these, I think its an attempt to impersonate a police officer and should be punished, do we all have the right to add these to our cars along with police markings? any way living in an area that is full of bikers on a weekend some of them (most of them to be truthful) are a menace and don't do themselves any favours, especially when they ride in a group, no thought for anyone else never mind think Bike how about thing other road users. I travel most weekends during the summer on the popular bike routes through North Wales and have seen so many near missis where Bikes are involved that it is surprising more accidents don't happen although figures of biker related accidents are frightening in North Wales, and most of these involves a speeding overtaking bike and nothing to do with any car drivers, other that when the bike hits them doing an overtake. I am no slouch when it comes to driving but some of these bikers seem to have a death wish, Fast Yes Stupid No. These biker runs seem to have no etiquette when they are organised, I have seen groups of 30-40 bikes zooming around, once one overtakes you the rear guard seem to loose all there brain cells risking themselves and other road users to keep up with the leader.
Parmst
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Totally agree butOnce the con is revealed, the rider is considered a t**t. Cruel but true.
I ride a bike and i would not wear one of these, but if someone wants to wear one good luck to them and would it worry me that they are possibly trying to impersonate a police officer? - not a chance because if it stops one accident its worth it.
You maybe misunderstood Mac,the tape over the polite was to stop people thinking it said police because then it wasn't visible at all.
This could go on and on, But if your son daughter,wife etc rode a motorbike and there was something they could wear that you know could save their life by making them more noticeable,would you refuse them wearing it ?.
Steve
I got you on the tape thing, was just pulling your leg. I think the problem isn't getting seen, it's the attitude of the people that see the rider that's the problem. Unfortunately I know of occasions where a knob of a driver has seen that they're not really a cop and 'buzzed the tower' to teach them a lesson.
I take no offence to anything put on here pal. There's nothing wrong with healthy debate between mates. If everyone thought the same way the world would be very dull (but full of Z3s and Z4s! Haha).
If you feel that unsafe on a bike or a horse to feel the need to wear one of these then you should ask yourself should you really be riding that bike or horse on a public highway? Most normal attire does the trick for a biker or rider if they are riding in a safe manor.
They seem to get on a lot of peoples nerves and as mentioned a couple of times above when people see someone wearing one of these, they slam on the brakes thinking it's the police, or give the rider some expletives so they could actually cause a much more unsafe environment for the person wearing one. IMO they are cause a more dangerous situation than a safe one, as they irritate so many people causing them to drive like idiots because they are cheesed off.
If people want to wear some sort of high visibility jacket to feel safer then that can only help everyone, just not one that makes them look like a police officer.
They seem to get on a lot of peoples nerves and as mentioned a couple of times above when people see someone wearing one of these, they slam on the brakes thinking it's the police, or give the rider some expletives so they could actually cause a much more unsafe environment for the person wearing one. IMO they are cause a more dangerous situation than a safe one, as they irritate so many people causing them to drive like idiots because they are cheesed off.
If people want to wear some sort of high visibility jacket to feel safer then that can only help everyone, just not one that makes them look like a police officer.
Simon Blythe
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This is a difficult area and, as a current cyclist and former member of the military having seen active service, I can see both Parmst and Mac Romans point of view.
I was out last night on my bike wearing a flouro yellow reflective top an bike and a helmet mounted red led flasher and 2 high power front lights. Whilst climbing a steep and long hill a middle aged Audi driver thought it was clever to nip in front of me, stop for oncoming traffic and then do the same several more times. On the last time I hopped onto the kerb and passed him that way, as the road bent around to the left he thought he was within his rights to push me into the kerb as he passed as well as slamming his breaks on. If I was riding out in the middle of the road or being abusive then there would be reason behind his driving however, I was hard up against the kerb mindful of other road users. Had I been wearing a jacket would he have chosen a different course of action....probably. As for impersonating a police officer, I have no desire - I've seen enough during my career.
Unfortunately as we all become desensitised to brightly coloured cyclists, horse riders etc I think this is something that may be the thing to make an idiot driver think twice thus avoiding the horrendous news the likes of Mac Romans have to give to families.
I was out last night on my bike wearing a flouro yellow reflective top an bike and a helmet mounted red led flasher and 2 high power front lights. Whilst climbing a steep and long hill a middle aged Audi driver thought it was clever to nip in front of me, stop for oncoming traffic and then do the same several more times. On the last time I hopped onto the kerb and passed him that way, as the road bent around to the left he thought he was within his rights to push me into the kerb as he passed as well as slamming his breaks on. If I was riding out in the middle of the road or being abusive then there would be reason behind his driving however, I was hard up against the kerb mindful of other road users. Had I been wearing a jacket would he have chosen a different course of action....probably. As for impersonating a police officer, I have no desire - I've seen enough during my career.
Unfortunately as we all become desensitised to brightly coloured cyclists, horse riders etc I think this is something that may be the thing to make an idiot driver think twice thus avoiding the horrendous news the likes of Mac Romans have to give to families.
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This is an interesting thread, I'm not a biker (only off road mainly trials in my youth and short use of a 125 for work) road bikes always left me with a bit of a cold sweat, so I didn't bother with my license when all my mates went for it. There are some total idiots on bikes, black leathers, helmets etc though not quite so many these days with modern bright bike gear, but a few years ago I pulled out of a junction in front of a bike, he had his lights on but wasn't wearing particularly bright kit, now this was totally my fault, I didn't see him but he was riding sensibly and anticipated what I was about to do, so hit the brakes and stopped with a few feet of me, it scared the hell out of me (and it didn't do a lot for him either) had he been riding above the speed limit then I would have had him. My point, isn't anything that makes a bike rider stand out to other road users better than nothing, even if at a glance you think its a Rozzer? and why should us thinking we've seen one bother us if we are driving within the law and sensibly?
Now I'm not totally defending the bikers here or this type of hi viz, some of them are just plain stupid and sometimes don't ride accordingly, as we all know there are times and places to drive hard and fast, but I would (as would most of you I guess) be devastated to injure or worse kill any rider even a stupid one because I didn't see them.
Now I'm not totally defending the bikers here or this type of hi viz, some of them are just plain stupid and sometimes don't ride accordingly, as we all know there are times and places to drive hard and fast, but I would (as would most of you I guess) be devastated to injure or worse kill any rider even a stupid one because I didn't see them.
I'm soon to retire from the filth after 31 years and thought l'd add my two penneth as I fully agree with @g8jka above.
Whilst wearing this does not constitute impersonating a police officer (the person would have to be trying to stop vehicles or interacting in some way) it does show a bit of naivety on the part of the wearer as it is likely to provoke anger from idiot aggressive drivers once they realise that it's fake.. especially if they've been forced to anchor up fast, which in itself is dangerous but whos to blame.. the guy whose trying to look like a cop or the guy whose driving too fast? Arguably both but those two ingredients could potentially cause an accident and someone could get hurt. If you provoke anger from an idiot driver then you are putting yourself on offer and being on two wheels that puts you at higher risk.. getting the w****** sign, verbal abuse, cut up or even assaulted. Such is the world we live in now.
I cycle to and from work in inner London during the rush hours every day but l have never seen anyone wearing one of these. But l do see good and bad motorists, good and bad motorcyclists, good and bad cyclists, and even good and bad pedestrians..
I have also heard about some strange people over the years.. like a guy who had blue lights fitted behind the grill of his car which he said was to slow people down who were speeding but couldn't explain why he kept hanging around schools.. and a guy who had his estate car liveried up like an ambulance and wore a green paramedic lookalike jump suit and would cruise around looking for accidents so he could 'help' people.. wearing one of these 'Polite' high viz jackets isn't quite in the same league but it does make me wonder about some people!
Amen!
If you ever go to Canary Wharf the security there is very visible. All the roads are private and there are checkpoints at every entrance and exit and your car can be searched at their discretion. It's private land so they can make their own conditions of entry for you to comply with. However, what l never liked was that they wear VERY police like uniforms so a lot of people believed that they were police so when you now have both the look and the interaction ie 'can l look in your boot sir' l think you have overstepped the line and that in my opinion is wrong.
Oh thank Christ we're still mates
......phew. Was beginning to wish I kept out of it .So Mac if I buy my lovely neighbours down the road,who you're familiar with,one of these jackets each,will you go and deal with them with more furosity ?
.Steve
Better to be a live "t**t" in said attire than a dead one not wearing it.Once the con is revealed, the rider is considered a t**t. Cruel but true.
Haha, most of said neighbours are currently...erm...on holiday. You should be getting some peace and quiet at the moment.Oh thank Christ we're still mates
So Mac if I buy my lovely neighbours down the road,who you're familiar with,one of these jackets each,will you go and deal with them with more furosity ?
Steve
It certainly has been quiet mate,It's lovely and that explains it. Hope it stays that way
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"Likely to provoke anger" Really? Has society got so bad that we are now aggressive to people we mistake as police officers? If that is true then thank God for helmet cams... Surely anything that saves lives and injury is a good thing... Let's face it these particular vests aren't very "cool" are they... The moped and 125 lads certainly won't be wearing them, what self respecting teenager wants to be associated with "polite" let alone "police"? That being said you won't have to worry about hordes of police lookalike bikers...it's a free country though isn't it?
Sadly yes. I've got a good mate who's a Copper in Northampton, his stories of the criminal activities on a daily basis are a shocker. Fortunately most of us just don't see it, thankfully
Might be a bit chilly on a bike.