Season 1, Episode 1 of Red Zed Adventures is live!

Jess Wiseman

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Thanks for checking out the Episode zero "training montage" video! Now the first episode is awaiting your eyeballs and thumbs up :)

View: https://youtu.be/zSUyQMgxXZg


Viewing on the YouTube website really makes a difference, when you can click the "like" thumb button and even subscribe if you wish. Watching from zroadster.org is easy, but doesn't count the same way.

Either way, hope you enjoy this long, single take. Cecil B DeMille, eat your heart out! lol
 

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Not seen anyone do a 360 video on here. Impressive! :thumbsup:
How many cameras and what were they?
How long did it take to render and are you running a big multicore processor and high end graphics?
 

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Not seen anyone do a 360 video on here. Impressive! :thumbsup:
How many cameras and what were they?
How long did it take to render and are you running a big multicore processor and high end graphics?
Thanks!
One camera, the Insta360 One R with the double lens 360 degree mod (it comes with a 4k 180 degree lens, too).

I had my PC built to run multiple instances of Bluestacks, an Android emulator for Windows. So yes, I have 32 Gb of RAM, a GeForce 2070 GPU (but not the 2070i), and an Intel Core i7 CPU (8 core).

The camera puts out 5.7k 360 degree video at 200 MB/s. I use the Insta360 Windows program to create a 1080p video, selecting which direction for the camera to show throughout. Then that renders to an mpeg file. That export takes 4-5 minutes for this length of video.

I then take the mpeg file, use Adobe Premiere Pro, and add music, titles, etc. The render at the end of that took 8 1/2 minutes on this video.

I'm just starting, clearly, so that may not be optimal workflow. I'm having fun jumping in with both feet, though.
 

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Thanks!
One camera, the Insta360 One R with the double lens 360 degree mod (it comes with a 4k 180 degree lens, too).

I had my PC built to run multiple instances of Bluestacks, an Android emulator for Windows. So yes, I have 32 Gb of RAM, a GeForce 2070 GPU (but not the 2070i), and an Intel Core i7 CPU (8 core).

The camera puts out 5.7k 360 degree video at 200 MB/s. I use the Insta360 Windows program to create a 1080p video, selecting which direction for the camera to show throughout. Then that renders to an mpeg file. That export takes 4-5 minutes for this length of video.

I then take the mpeg file, use Adobe Premiere Pro, and add music, titles, etc. The render at the end of that took 8 1/2 minutes on this video.

I'm just starting, clearly, so that may not be optimal workflow. I'm having fun jumping in with both feet, though.
5.7k at 200MB/s. Must have a decent card to push that on to. Must take a look at the camera.
I recently bought a MacBook Pro with 8 core i9. That really rattles through 4k rendering. Just stepping up to Divinci Resolve 16 myself - literally in the last few days. Now waiting to get my hands on the new Canon R6 or even R5. My only true 4k/60 camera is the GoPro Hero 8 which is a great camera but the resolution leaves a bit to be desired when you push the processing due to compression. Can't do anything cinematic with it though. Great at what it doesn't though.:thumbsup:
My son has a Ryzen 16 core machine - He is living back here during Covid. Stunningly quick machine but it has doubled our electricity bill. :eek:.

Interesting how the program on yours tries to map out the pole the camera is on. Must be how the lens captures the scene.
 

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5.7k at 200MB/s. Must have a decent card to push that on to. Must take a look at the camera.
I recently bought a MacBook Pro with 8 core i9. That really rattles through 4k rendering. Just stepping up to Divinci Resolve 16 myself - literally in the last few days. Now waiting to get my hands on the new Canon R6 or even R5. My only true 4k/60 camera is the GoPro Hero 8 which is a great camera but the resolution leaves a bit to be desired when you push the processing due to compression. Can't do anything cinematic with it though. Great at what it doesn't though.:thumbsup:
My son has a Ryzen 16 core machine - He is living back here during Covid. Stunningly quick machine but it has doubled our electricity bill. :eek:.

Interesting how the program on yours tries to map out the pole the camera is on. Must be how the lens captures the scene.
The Insta360 Invisible selfie stick is an accessory that works with the camera to disappear. They claim it's not compatible with other sticks, but I just tested it tonight with a different stick and it worked pretty darn well.

I made sure to check the compatible microSD cards, and I got this one: SanDisk Extreme Pro Micro SDXC UHS-I U3 A2 V30 Memory Card (256GB) from Amazon Canada.

Don't know how it works, cuz the card claims a write speed of 90 Mb/s, but it does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

With respect to camera choice, I compared the GoPro Max and the Insta360 One R, and also the Qoocam 8k, and others. I went with the Insta One R because it supports an external microphone (with an adapter they sell) and the others do not, or have other deficiencies. From my research, the GoPro Max has excellent onboard microphones that cancel wind noise really well, but if I'm in the driver seat and my camera is on a boom and in the wind, even perfect wind cancellation won't pick up me talking, so I chose the ability to attach a lapel or other microphone as the essential feature. Still waiting for my adapter to come in the mail, though.
 

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:scorecard: What a great video, well done to you :coolsteer)
 

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Nice video! Was out filming today (and yesterday too) so look for Episode 2 soon :)
 

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Not seen anyone do a 360 video on here. Impressive! :thumbsup:
How many cameras and what were they?
How long did it take to render and are you running a big multicore processor and high end graphics?
Yep that :wideyed:
 

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We all see and do videos on our phones and maybe put some on YouTube, but you don’t realise how amazing that technology in those tiny devices is until you try and do something a bit more creative with video.
It is a massively data intensive process and needs high end processing capabilities to get it done easily and quickly. As a life long stills photographer I always scoffed a little at video. Just started with video and I now have a new deep respect for those that do it and do it well. The skills and technology needed is huge.
 

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We all see and do videos on our phones and maybe put some on YouTube, but you don’t realise how amazing that technology in those tiny devices is until you try and do something a bit more creative with video.
It is a massively data intensive process and needs high end processing capabilities to get it done easily and quickly. As a life long stills photographer I always scoffed a little at video. Just started with video and I now have a new deep respect for those that do it and do it well. The skills and technology needed is huge.
I'm just starting with videography myself, and I had a little mini-epiphany I want to run by you. A lot of the videos for beginners teach how to reproduce traditional cinematic shots (i.e. dolly, crane, tracking, etc.) using a gimbal or editing software. This approach makes their little project seem more "cinematic" and therefore of higher quality, because we associate those kinds of shots with high-budget movies.

But.... with new technology we can create shots that are nothing at all like what has come before, and if we crib our visual palette from the older technological age, we won't explore the possibilities that the new angles, fields of view, depth of field, and ways of moving the camera create.

Also but... I'm not Scorsese, Spielberg, Cameron, or Jackson. Maybe I don't have the visual genius to invent a new form of visual storytelling from the new palette of possible shots, so I should just crib from the old geniuses until a new genius shows up to crib from.

Final but... I've played a lot of third person and first person video games, so the notion of a floating (virtual, in the game) camera that I can point in any direction while moving in another is already in my visual vocabulary, so I may tend to create long videos with few to no cuts because that's what a gaming experience is like.

Thoughts?
 

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I'm just starting with videography myself, and I had a little mini-epiphany I want to run by you. A lot of the videos for beginners teach how to reproduce traditional cinematic shots (i.e. dolly, crane, tracking, etc.) using a gimbal or editing software. This approach makes their little project seem more "cinematic" and therefore of higher quality, because we associate those kinds of shots with high-budget movies.

But.... with new technology we can create shots that are nothing at all like what has come before, and if we crib our visual palette from the older technological age, we won't explore the possibilities that the new angles, fields of view, depth of field, and ways of moving the camera create.

Also but... I'm not Scorsese, Spielberg, Cameron, or Jackson. Maybe I don't have the visual genius to invent a new form of visual storytelling from the new palette of possible shots, so I should just crib from the old geniuses until a new genius shows up to crib from.

Final but... I've played a lot of third person and first person video games, so the notion of a floating (virtual, in the game) camera that I can point in any direction while moving in another is already in my visual vocabulary, so I may tend to create long videos with few to no cuts because that's what a gaming experience is like.

Thoughts?
I had a DJI Ronin gimbal delivered today :). And a good fluid tripod head. :). Got an HDMI to Thunderbolt 3 converter to allow recording directly into a laptop.

The purpose is exactly the same as your thoughts - get into videography but something a little more that the usual PoV/YouTube running-gun piece to camera. My eldest and I have a number of cameras but currently only my Hero 8 is true 4k. The intention is to cut our teeth on 1080p but recording 1080i from a number of mid to higher range but older cameras - Nikon D5100, Sony A6000 and Canon EOS5Diii. I have a bag full of L glass but only a couple of primes. The cameras we have also have limited internal recording quality, but, using the HDMI output we can get 4:2:2 at 10 bit compared to 4:2:0 at 8 bit. That gives access to a great deal more data at the editing stage.

Our intention is to mimic that cinematic approach using good lenses with wide (or managed apertures) to give that depth of field that is impossible using mobile phones and fixed aperture cameras.

Having done photography for many years, some of the skills are transferable. That said, the additional skills needed are huge - the whole workflow has to be managed. Using manual focus (Except for the Sony) means you have complete control over DoF but your shots are limited to fixed or semi fixed - they have to be planned and executed. The Ronin is a fabulous bit of kit but still you ned to manage your shooting carefully. It does however give you a very stable platform. I'll be playing with it for days yet.

Just getting the footage captured in the camera is just the start of the process. Am well used to colour and exposure management as well as some creative changes to the colours, but, as you say, video technology allows you to apply look and feel to an image that would have been impossible using filtration and lighting. Editing and colouration is another set of skills to master.

You see a lot of people talking about shooting in 8k or 6k to subsample down to 4k or using 4k down to 1080p. That gives some flexibility to manage composition in the computer after shooting. Would love to do that having done that in stills for a long time, but, being forced to do that in camera also makes you think about the whole sequence before you press the start-record button.

Some things like cranes and dollys will no doubt come in at some stage. Probably first will be a slider to allow some horizontal camera movement with greater control of subject distance and Dof control. The gimbal seems to a little to granular to control that kind of scene - but I've only had it for a few hours. It does however, have facilities for doing panoramas and time-lapse shots - excellent features for both stills and videos. Going to be giving those a try. In conjunction with the time-lapse features on the Hero 8 I hope to get some awesome video.

Of course - you also need a story to tell. A whole new creative aspect that we have to discover and learn. Like you said, some form of style and genre needed to help the direction of travel, to keep some sense of purpose.

Documentaries? History? PoV? How-tos? Story telling? Who knows?

I see many months trial and error and discovery ahead. We now have a challenge. Can't wait.
 

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I had a DJI Ronin gimbal delivered today :). And a good fluid tripod head. :). Got an HDMI to Thunderbolt 3 converter to allow recording directly into a laptop.

The purpose is exactly the same as your thoughts - get into videography but something a little more that the usual PoV/YouTube running-gun piece to camera. My eldest and I have a number of cameras but currently only my Hero 8 is true 4k. The intention is to cut our teeth on 1080p but recording 1080i from a number of mid to higher range but older cameras - Nikon D5100, Sony A6000 and Canon EOS5Diii. I have a bag full of L glass but only a couple of primes. The cameras we have also have limited internal recording quality, but, using the HDMI output we can get 4:2:2 at 10 bit compared to 4:2:0 at 8 bit. That gives access to a great deal more data at the editing stage.

Our intention is to mimic that cinematic approach using good lenses with wide (or managed apertures) to give that depth of field that is impossible using mobile phones and fixed aperture cameras.

Having done photography for many years, some of the skills are transferable. That said, the additional skills needed are huge - the whole workflow has to be managed. Using manual focus (Except for the Sony) means you have complete control over DoF but your shots are limited to fixed or semi fixed - they have to be planned and executed. The Ronin is a fabulous bit of kit but still you ned to manage your shooting carefully. It does however give you a very stable platform. I'll be playing with it for days yet.

Just getting the footage captured in the camera is just the start of the process. Am well used to colour and exposure management as well as some creative changes to the colours, but, as you say, video technology allows you to apply look and feel to an image that would have been impossible using filtration and lighting. Editing and colouration is another set of skills to master.

You see a lot of people talking about shooting in 8k or 6k to subsample down to 4k or using 4k down to 1080p. That gives some flexibility to manage composition in the computer after shooting. Would love to do that having done that in stills for a long time, but, being forced to do that in camera also makes you think about the whole sequence before you press the start-record button.

Some things like cranes and dollys will no doubt come in at some stage. Probably first will be a slider to allow some horizontal camera movement with greater control of subject distance and Dof control. The gimbal seems to a little to granular to control that kind of scene - but I've only had it for a few hours. It does however, have facilities for doing panoramas and time-lapse shots - excellent features for both stills and videos. Going to be giving those a try. In conjunction with the time-lapse features on the Hero 8 I hope to get some awesome video.

Of course - you also need a story to tell. A whole new creative aspect that we have to discover and learn. Like you said, some form of style and genre needed to help the direction of travel, to keep some sense of purpose.

Documentaries? History? PoV? How-tos? Story telling? Who knows?

I see many months trial and error and discovery ahead. We now have a challenge. Can't wait.
I got the DJI Osmo Mobile gimbal myself. Just bought the 360 cam so too soon to invest in a mirrorless for video, but i have a Note 9 so it's better than the average smartphone for video. Sounds like you'll have a ball!
 
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