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Zooropa

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I come to you all desperately seeking help....

Around a month ago, I posted looking for help with my 1998 1.9 Z3. Recently resprayed after around 18 months of restoration.

A few weeks after the respray, I took the car to work for the day. On the way there, on the motorway, the car cut out and shortly before it came to a stop there was a loud bang from the exhaust which then had a lot of black residue on it. It started up again and got me to work but then did it again at lower speed on the way home. Exact same symptoms at that time. The car was also using a lot more fuel than normal.

The car has been in the garage since then and when it was running the emissions were far too high.

The garage has checked for vacuum leaks and 2 were found and repaired. The car is now showing as having 'discreet/zero' vacuum leaks however still had emissions which were excessive.

The garage confirmed that there was no blockage in the exhaust. The compression was good in all 4 cylinders.

A code was present for the Camshaft Position Sensor (P0340). The mechanic carried out a manual test of the sensor and found it to be completely dead. At this point the car was starting albeit with the cutting out problem and excessive emissions.

A new BMW sensor was ordered and installed and the learned values reset and now the car won't start at all!

The car does start with the dead sensor replaced/no sensor installed.

The timing was also checked and found to be fine (the mechanic had believed that this was likely to be the problem).

The garage (who have been brilliant with me) have had to stop with their attempts at diagnosis as they have existing commitments and projects and they have been working on my car where they have had time as they took me in at very short notice.

I am looking at passing the car onto another garage to see if they can help get the car started and sort the emissions problem.

I need to find the problem and sort it as I have spent a lot of money bringing the car back to a good state what with the respray and all. I should point out that the engine seas running fine until this came about.

Does ANYONE have ANY experience of a problem like this or any suggestions of what this might be?

I would be seriously grateful for any advice at all.

Thank you all.
 

Jack Ratt

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Was the car running ok before your restoration, and have you done any work on the engine?
Was the car laid up for a long period without it being used?
Did the garage check the cat?
High emissions suggests over rich fuel mix
Did the garage check that the new sensor is working ok? It's not unheard of to buy a duff sensor.

Somebody will reply to this thread pretty soon I'm sure with other suggestions

Good luck, hope you get sorted soon
 

Tfp

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Get the car to a garage that has lots of experience of Z3's.

I'm sure the forum members will help you find your nearest one.
 

Grumps

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Where abouts are you located @Zooropa? My 2.8 has high co2 and sometimes gets a hot fuel smell omitting from it. Never to date worked out what it is. I'm no mechanic so can't help you but if you could tell us where you are we may be able to come up with a good suggestion on where to take it as Tim has said.
 

Faheem

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I come to you all desperately seeking help....
A code was present for the Camshaft Position Sensor (P0340). The mechanic carried out a manual test of the sensor and found it to be completely dead. At this point the car was starting albeit with the cutting out problem and excessive emissions.

A new BMW sensor was ordered and installed and the learned values reset and now the car won't start at all!

The car does start with the dead sensor replaced/no sensor installed.
Again, I'm no expert but would the above not indicate that the replacement sensor you've fitted is faulty?
 

Zooropa

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@Tfp @Grumps i have just booked the car into BMW to have them repair it. I just need it sorted now to be honest!
 

Zooropa

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@Jack Ratt the car was running ok but always with what I thought was low on power at low speeds (if that makes sense) sort of sluggish. I haven't done any work to the engine but the car was used very rarely up until about 6 months ago and was going fine daily until this came about. The garage checked the exhaust and confirmed there were no blockages. Also, all appears well with the new sensor too. Thanks
 

Tfp

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@Tfp @Grumps i have just booked the car into BMW to have them repair it. I just need it sorted now to be honest!
I'm sorry to be negative, but a BMW main dealer may not have loads of experience of Z3's. Unless they have a technician that's been there a very long time.

Plus, they'll probably charge you a diagnosis fee on top of the £100 an hour for labour.

My advice, talk to them about their charges first, don't give them an open cheque book.

The best place to take your car would be to an experienced BMW specialist as most of these types of business's are set up by former BMW technicians that will probably have experience of Z3's from earlier in their career.

You haven't posted up your location?

We cant recommend anywhere if we don't know whereabouts you are.
 

Zooropa

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@Faheem i know what you're saying but there were issues before this new sensor (which seems to be working) was fitted i.e. Cutting out, over rich mixture and backfiring.

The mechanic at BMW I spoke to when booking it in mentioned a problem perhaps with the EGR valve? Anyway very expensive per hour diagnosis coming up next week!
 

Zooropa

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I'm sorry to be negative, but a BMW main dealer may not have loads of experience of Z3's. Unless they have a technician that's been there a very long time.

Plus, they'll probably charge you a diagnosis fee on top of the £100 an hour for labour.

My advice, talk to them about their charges first, don't give them an open cheque book.

The best place to take your car would be to an experienced BMW specialist as most of these types of business's are set up by former BMW technicians that will probably have experience of Z3's from earlier in their career.

You haven't posted up your location?

We cant recommend anywhere if we don't know whereabouts you are.
Sorry I am just outside Glasgow @Tfp
 

Tfp

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Perhaps start a new thread.

"Anyone know a good BMW specialist near Glasgow?"
 

Zooropa

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I'll try that, thank you. Appreciated.
 

Tfp

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I'll try that, thank you. Appreciated.
You're very welcome.

I've been on many forums over the years, this one has the most friendly, and helpful, members I've ever encountered.
 

t-tony

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@Faheem i know what you're saying but there were issues before this new sensor (which seems to be working) was fitted i.e. Cutting out, over rich mixture and backfiring.

The mechanic at BMW I spoke to when booking it in mentioned a problem perhaps with the EGR valve? Anyway very expensive per hour diagnosis coming up next week!
All of these symptoms were present on my 2.0 Z3 when the inlet cam sensor failed, it is possible that you have these symptoms still if there's a fault in the harness connector from the sensor to the main loom?

Tony.
 

Zooropa

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All of these symptoms were present on my 2.0 Z3 when the inlet cam sensor failed, it is possible that you have these symptoms still if there's a fault in the harness connector from the sensor to the main loom?

Tony.
Please be patient with me here, I'm a bit unsure of all this so far.

It is possible these issues are still there but since it won't start now I can't tell! It only starts with the dead sensor back on. Can you explain what you mean a bit more for my ignorance please? Thanks
 

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Sure I can, with pleasure. The new and old sensors have a plug on the end of the cable attached? Are both plugs EXACTLY the same inside where the connector pins are located and on the outside where it fits into the female half of the connections. It would surprise me very much if the new genuine BMW sensor was faulty, not impossible I know, but very rare all the same.
Can you post pictures of both sensors and their plugs? It makes me think that the plug on the new sensor is either, not compatible with the socket it goes into, or, damaged in some way which is preventing a full connection.

Tony.
 

Zooropa

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@t-tony i would love to but unfortunately the car is still being put together and I won't have it back until Thursday.

Can I ask, the car was running rich before all this with it not starting. Could the bad sensor have caused that? Thanks
 

t-tony

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@t-tony i would love to but unfortunately the car is still being put together and I won't have it back until Thursday.

Can I ask, the car was running rich before all this with it not starting. Could the bad sensor have caused that? Thanks
Hi, yes it could.

Tony.
 

Zooropa

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@t-tony thank you for your help. I'll have a look when I get it back. Cheers!
 
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