Overheating

D R Oldfield

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I got my 2.8 1998 z3 out of the garage this morning and decided to let it tick over on the drive to warm it up it started easily and sounds as sweet as a nut but after about 30 mins of idling the temperature gauge was nearly in the red and it smelt hot ,oil and water are perfect viscous fan seems to work ..? Any help would be appreciated how do I check the vicouse fan ?
 

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I got my 2.8 1998 z3 out of the garage this morning and decided to let it tick over on the drive to warm it up it started easily and sounds as sweet as a nut but after about 30 mins of idling the temperature gauge was nearly in the red and it smelt hot ,oil and water are perfect viscous fan seems to work ..? Any help would be appreciated how do I check the vicouse fan ?
30 minutes warm up? Why? Does it reach these temps if you let it warm up for 5 minutes then drive it? At least in Oz we don't have to warm engines up -- just kick em in the guts and tootle off.
 

D R Oldfield

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Hi yes I have checked the water before I started it and the oil and both were at the correct level the car is in storage at my home over as we have recently moved house I checked the oil and water when it had cooled down and both were fine , does it have a electric fan as the fan is engine driven via viscous coupling and appears to be working correctly
 

D R Oldfield

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I do have a second fan in front of the radiator could air have got into the system with it standing , do water pumps go ?
 

e36Ballen

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Possible causes:

1.) Fan not turning on (switch)
2.) Water pump just died
3.) Air in the system
4.) Thermostat
 

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I would put the stat at the top of the list. Next the viscous coupling could have gone south, just because its turning dosent mean it's working correctly. The electric fan shouldn't come on under normal driving with the ac turned off, it's only a back up to the viscous
 

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If the temperature starts to go over the halfway mark, turn the aircon on this will start the electric fan. If that controls it then it suggests the viscous fan is not working correctly. If not then it is likely to be the thermostat.
 

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If the temperature starts to go over the halfway mark, turn the aircon on this will start the electric fan. If that controls it then it suggests the viscous fan is not working correctly. If not then it is likely to be the thermostat.
Good shout Mike
 

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I wouldn't let an engine tick over for that long ,you need air passing through the radiator to effectively cool the water. Take the car for a run then check everything that has been mentioned.
 

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Thinking about this a bit more, the electric fan should kick in to augment the viscous one if the temperature gets too high. It's worth checking that as well.
 

e36Ballen

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I would put the stat at the top of the list. Next the viscous coupling could have gone south, just because its turning dosent mean it's working correctly. The electric fan shouldn't come on under normal driving with the ac turned off, it's only a back up to the viscous
agreed. I wasn't trying to put a rank but yes, thermostat should be the first to check.
 

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This sounds very similar to what I’ve experienced on my 98 2.8.

First time:
Viscous fan was weak - cover overheated at idle but now hem moving.

Second and third time:
Water pump impeller loose on the shaft - so spun weakly at idle but fine when driving /air flowing.
This happened on a replacement metal type pump so they not infallible. Twice.

Now like yours, my car has an aircon and the fan did work when the AC was on BUT it was wired up incorrectly from the factory meaning it didn’t kick in when water temp rose (like it should, as these car do work fine without the viscous and just the aircon fan - that’s how mine has been for years now - not on track, another matter though).
Basically the aircon fan activates if there is insufficient cooling from the viscous (like if it fails or sat idling in very hot conditions)

I’ll dig up the link to the aircon fan issue for you, easy to do once you have the pics.

You of course have another issue be it water pump and or thermostat. These really are service items on BMW so I would get both changed. Also do the thermostat housing (they do crack I know!).
Not expensive and of course it’s off when the thermostat is being changed.

I should have it all done at once would have saved me multiple trips the garage and worries about breakdowns (garage weren’t BMW guys so didn’t think to tell me to do it all at once, hindsight is a wonderful thing!).
 

Dino D

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Hopefully this quote works:


Cooling system - I was somewhat unlucky in that I've had 2 viscous fans break apart and 2 clutch fan units fail in the open position - that rubbish design is now banished from my car forever and now only runs a brand new aircon fan (which is standard on aircon equipped cars).
Here is thread from when I replaced my seized the air con fan using a e36 unit (identical bar some excess plastic trim and half the price - was around £100 compare with £200+ for the 'Z3' item:
https://zroadster.org/threads/electric-fan.7828/


Important info for MK1 2.8 Owners re the electric aircon fan wiring here:

Just to add that in doing this I discovered that many cars had the incorrect wiring for the aux fan from the factory! Yes from the factory!!

The fan was wired to switch on at high speed only hence I never heard it operate apart from when aircon was used...
It's well documented and there is a detailed (very) thread here with pics and diagrams, it's pretty simple once you have the info(!!)
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2207733-Z3-2-8-electric-fan-failure/page2&highlight=Aux fan wiring

After swapping the wires I now have an aux fan that kicks in on low speed as needed. This is handy as my viscous seems to have died (again). Possibly because I stored it upside down for two weeks, I'll try to refill it and keep it stored correctly in case I ever need it again!
 
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