Over 100mph.

You don't get points, that's the payback for being re educated. Neither do you have to fess up to your insurance, however IF they ask if you've attended a speed awareness course during the previous year it's best to be truthful. Ask me how I know.

Tony.
I'm aware of speed but sometimes its bit of a blur :whistle::whistle:
 
Its all about driving to the conditions: sometimes 10mph is too fast, sometimes V max is OK. Unfortunately, traffic law cannot reflect this. Driver education and enforcement discretion is therefore key, but unfortunately often lacking these days.:(
 
It's a hard lesson to learn Shelly.
Everyone thinks they are in command and can control all possible events at the speed they choose to drive.

It's not always the case.

One night after just having left the office in Birmigham, I had two women walk straight out without looking from between cars queuing in the opposite direction - they were less than 20' away when I first saw them. They were completely obscured by glare from multiple headlights on the oncoming cars until they appeared in my headlights.

Even though I was doing 25 or less (a speed the investigator gave me) and having no time to consider options as they were so close all I could do was stand on the brakes. Given the reaction time I was a great deal closer before I started to slow down, even at that low speed. I still hit and knocked both of them over (all three in fact I found out from the attending ambulance crew as one was lying in the road!!!). Had I been doing the speed limit they would have been badly injured. A few mph over it could have been fatal.

I learnt there and then that speed limits (especially in built up areas) do have a real and direct purpose. Get caught doing over the limit, then a fine and points while a massive frustration, is actually far more desirable than the alternative - coroners court. Most choose that risk of a fine and points, complain when they get them, but never consider the worse possibilities.

BTW - amazingly both girls were discharged, one at the scene and the other after a nights observation. Thankfully nothing broken. Frustratingly they later claimed they had looked and not seen my car so I must have been speeding. Having calculated that I would have had to be doing 120mph from a standstill in 150m to cover the line of sight distance they soon backed down. They were busy talking to each other and not watching the road at all I was told.

Don't get me wrong, I love spirited driving, but in the right place and conditions. 30 and 40 limits isn't the place.
OK - The circumstances of this accident were a little out of the ordinary. But not extraordinary by any means. An everyday situation.
Getting there a few seconds earlier by cheating a few mph out of urban speed limits simply isn't worth it. We all still have a duty of care to all those Darwin Award candidates out there.
Glad everything worked out. My worst nightmare that.

My Fiancee's lad was on his bike and got caught at 80 in 40 early morning going to work. Wide three lane dual carriageway which was once 60 mph many years back.
I was surprised because he had only passed his A2 bike test about 8 months previous and he only got a 3 months ban and a means tested fine £450 no points. His insurance however is not cheap.
 
@Redline ' guess it's a lad ...etc'. Not necessarily, I seem to see a worrying lot of young girls/women in tiny hatchbacks tearing past me on motorways these days at speeds 'well' in excess of 'whitevanman'. Scary!
 
@Redline ' guess it's a lad ...etc'. Not necessarily, I seem to see a worrying lot of young girls/women in tiny hatchbacks tearing past me on motorways these days at speeds 'well' in excess of 'whitevanman'. Scary!
Agree. These little cars handle well right up to the moment they don’t. There’s little in the way of instability even at high speed. The driver has little experience or comprehension of what’s going to happen if they need to hit the brakes - especially if they’re behind someone with great brakes. :eek:
 
The very worst tailgaters are also girl's/ young women too.

Tony.
 
Hmmm. May try googling "being tailgated by young women". Or I may not.:whistle:But there again I do know quite a few young ladies (work with horses, you will meet them) who seem to find it no problem at all to write-off a car. Or two. Or three.
 
The thing that annoys me is the people who are the same distance behind - normally too close in my opinion - whatever speed I'm doing. They don't seem to realise you need a bigger gap at 60 than you do at 20 :mad:
 
It used to be on the back cover of the Highway Code if I recall right? Stopping Distances it was called, it probably now has some arty farty PC name which no one can remember or give a flying **** about.:mad:

Tony.,
 
It used to be on the back cover of the Highway Code if I recall right? Stopping Distances it was called, it probably now has some arty farty PC name which no one can remember or give a flying **** about.:mad:

Tony.,
Amongst a number of things I miss about the landy is the tow hook protecting 2.5t of car. It’s made quite an impression on a number of drivers and their cars - literally!
Several times I’ve smiled sweetly and said “Oh that’s bad luck!” to drivers as I drive away leaving them with the front of their car somewhat rearranged.
 
The thing that annoys me is the people who are the same distance behind - normally too close in my opinion - whatever speed I'm doing. They don't seem to realise you need a bigger gap at 60 than you do at 20 :mad:

This is one of the reasons they introduced those chevrons on motorways where you have to keep two of them between you and the car in front.
I think its dangerous though
I had to do almost 140mph behind that Porsche........
 
I had a Reliant Scimitar some years ago with a meaty tow bar attached to the very strong chassis. Someone went up the back of the car in London around 30mph and his journey ended. Not a mark on my car. Who needs crumple zones.:)
 
Had a similar incident when I had a Volvo 245 with a towbar. I was arse ended by a Transit Van when I was stationary at some traffic lights.
 
It used to be on the back cover of the Highway Code if I recall right? Stopping Distances it was called, it probably now has some arty farty PC name which no one can remember or give a flying **** about.:mad:

Tony.,

To be fair, the stopping distances for the longest time were based off tests done with an Ford Anglia and were woefully out of date. When I did all my learning to drive and tests in 97/98 I know this was still the case, now I'm not sure if it's updated to more modern cars?

Here in Oxford, if you're done for speeding, you are treated like you are the Antichrist incarnate! Speed bumps, poorly looked after roads (bar the cycle lanes, heavy traffic slowing and a very hostile anticar attitude infects the councils both city and county. Heck it's about £6+ an hour in one of the very few parking spaces in Oxford and you need about £45-£50 for a full days parking!

TBH, with how strict things are on new drivers, I think it's foolish to take any risks for the first two years. But at 19/20 you feel invincible and take stupid risks. I do believe it's much older drivers that are a big problem, as they have been driving for so long, that they never think they are at fault. When they get confused and end up in a dangerous situation, such as driving down the wrong side of the M40, they think everyone else is in the wrong. That makes me more angry than a stupid kid caught doing something just slightly dumb.
 
Stopping times may be out of date, but reaction times will stay about the same, still takes a little while to actually put the brakes on, and by then it'll be too late.:rolleyes:

But the stopping distances are dramatically different though? I think I saw a test and with modern tyres and ABS, a car can stop in 50% the total distance listed in the highway code?
 
But you've still got to allow time for the average numpty to wake up and react. Going on some of the drivers I see around here, thank the Lord we don't have motorways in Wales. There'd be a culling, that's for sure.
 
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