Migrant ingress what's your thoughts

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I'm just generally uneasy with the poor state the country is in at the moment, but hey we caused the issue so kind of agree we have no choice.

I'd just rather we didn't (along with our American chums) keep destabilising countries in the stupid belief we are making things better.
 
GazHyde said:
I'm just generally uneasy with the poor state the country is in at the moment, but hey we caused the issue so kind of agree we have no choice.

I'd just rather we didn't (along with our American chums) keep destabilising countries in the stupid belief we are making things better.
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Too true Gaz, we like to f#@k things up, then moan when innocents seek refuge. What people forget is that most of our decendents don't originate from here.
 
We have tried to impose our democracy, christian ways and so called better life on these countries.
ISIS is now doing the same in return, however they use the barbarism and horror that happens as a way of life in their own countries.
We now have the migrants coming in droves from those countries attracted by a way of life introduced to them by our own actions.
live and let live is what we should have done,
what is the point of taking out a dictator that has a hundred thousand like minded people that will step into his shoes. At least we knew where and who that was, and they were not a threat to us.

We have brought terror to our shores, mixed amongst a whole mass of people looking for our self promoted 'paradise'.

We reap what we sow.
 
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Bankers and arms dealers are the only winners in all of this.
 
I think first of all we need to establish the true intentions of the 'refugees'. There's been plenty said about why many of these people are hell-bent on getting to the most western parts of Europe and not just away from any war-zone.

From what I've seen it's hard to deny they're trying to do this, so we have to ask ourselves why? The map below may suggest (not the only reason they want to get to Germany, Sweden, UK etc, BUT certainly) a very strong one.

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If escaping a war-type zone is the primary reason to leave Syria then isn't there an alternative way Western Europe and even the rest of the world can help out?

Why don't we collectively send as many boats as required to ship all the persecuted away from these areas and put them in temporary camps in the nearest Mediterranean countries, leaving only ISIS behind. Carpet-bomb what is left behind and then move the refugees back, helping them to rebuild their country.

That way we -

1) Wipe the area clean of ISIS
2) Give the people looking for safety a safe (ISIS free) environment to live in back in their own homelands..
3) Remove the perpetual burden of hand-outs from Western Europe...............All you tax payers out there you're paying for this, directly with increased taxes and with cuts in our services, policing, National Health Services, road repairs, diminishing pensions, etc................all the things you and I complain about daily.
 
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Absolutely agree Colin. I really don't care about any one who has gone over from England to fight for the ISIS, they take their chance, if they get hit by a drone strike, tough. Syria is slightly different as it is a problem which arised from the Arab Spring, and that came about from "interference " by Western powers meddling in things that were not fully understood at the time. Maybe it is now though?

Tony.
 
No more violence,we used our taxes to interfere with these countries we have to pay for the mess we made .We sit here thinking we are better than them ,looking down our nose ,It changes all the time it's laughable Indian, Afro-carribian,Turks,Polish,Romaian,Pakistani,Gypsies,Chineese,etc,etc.You reap what you sow.There are terrible dictators doing awful things to there people in Africa for many years,we're not involved militarily there because they have no oil.Dont make your greed for cheap fuel and products an excuse to mess with other countries......unless you are willing to pay the price.The bill has come in and we have to "stump up"
 
Also interesting to note how much help the richer countries in the Muslim world have provided during this period.
 
Not much oil in Syria then.......

Tony.
 
how much help the richer countries in the Muslim world have provided during this period

Quite a lot
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On the 14th anniversary of the most act I have ever seen - on The Twin Towers in New York we definitely should debate "No more violence"

No more 9-11's
No more Lee Rigby's
No more Boston bombings
No more machete attacks in our local towns
No more child sexual exploitation either.
No more discrimination, certainly not the sort that will see the police turn a blind eye to muslim attacks on white citizens but suddenly become very active when something goes on the other way.

Before I give you the wrong impression here.............I'd like to add..........NO MORE EDL or BRITAIN FIRST MARCHES THROUGH OUR TOWNS EITHER. They are killing our local economies and achieving nothing positive.

Why can't people just get along?

As a regular visitor to the UAE they have got a lot right. I've never been anywhere else where so many different nationalities, colours, religious beliefs, etc, get along so well. I believe the ZERO tolerance approach works there and is a big part of its success, many other 'softer' countries (UK very much included) could learn a lot from The Emirates.

The Indians, Pakistanis, Syrians, Lebanese go there for work, they work hard, they are rewarded for their hard work with a standard of living they are unable to get in their homelands, they appreciate that opportunity and the Emirates appreciate what they bring to the local economies, they do most of the building work, lay the roads, staff the airports and shopping malls. Some argue they are exploited and maybe some are but they have a choice to go back if they want, circumstances dictate that very few of them do.
 
miller1098 said:
No more violence,we used our taxes to interfere with these countries we have to pay for the mess we made .We sit here thinking we are better than them ,looking down our nose ,It changes all the time it's laughable Indian, Afro-carribian,Turks,Polish,Romaian,Pakistani,Gypsies,Chineese,etc,etc.You reap what you sow.There are terrible dictators doing awful things to there people in Africa for many years,we're not involved militarily there because they have no oil.Dont make your greed for cheap fuel and products an excuse to mess with other countries......unless you are willing to pay the price.The bill has come in and we have to "stump up"
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@miller1098 agreed, that's why we went to the Falklands to safeguard the as yet untapped 8 trillion barrels of oil. The Falklands has cost us circa £1,000.000 per day since the cease of the conflict. Not forgetting the couple of ££'s to execute said conflict. Funny thing, oil.
 
This is where I worked for a year. Latest news on the company website.

Wintershall resumes oil production in Libya. Production volumes from onshore concession C96 are transported to Zueitina.
The onshore oil production in Libya is still subject to temporary fluctuations caused by external influences on the export infrastructure. Currently it is not possible to load at the export terminal of Ras Lanuf.

On 23/24 February, however, Wintershall Libya was able to resume production in Concession 96 (As Sarah). Crude exports of roundabout 30,000 barrels of oil per day are transported to Zueitina Terminal, which has resumed operations after strikes and technical problems along the export route were resolved.

For the time being, Wintershall Libya produces only from naturally flowing wells. Operations are entirely Libyan-staffed since the company had to withdraw all international staff (including contractors) due to the tense security situation in the country.

Meanwhile, the situation at the production sites in the Libyan Desert remains calm. The Wintershall Tripoli Office is currently being used on a very limited basis. Our (also here) exclusively Libyan duty staff are primarily working from home.

 
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