Is it necessary to use super unleaded fuel?

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A low octane fuel will explode at a lower pressure.
My understanding is that fuel doesn't explode in the cylinder but rather burns outwards from the spark plug - however, that's being pedantic!;)
Shell V-Power always get good recommendations whichever car forum you look at. My nearest Shell station is about 8 or 9 miles away, so not so handy, especially as its a road I rarely drive. Might have to find an excuse to go that way soon.
Mike
 

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Always run my M on super unleaded as it pinks like a bugger on 95 and I'm convinced it performs better when driven hard, but may be in my head. (not the pinking though that's a given for me)
 

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Mine feels better on 98+ and because i use it infrequently i dont really notice the cost difference
 

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I think it is wise to use 98 Ron petrol every 4th or 5th fill up, the higher octane and the additional cleaners and additives help keep the injectors clean and also the cats. Be sure you use a full tank of the stuff though, diluting it with 95 Ron petrol does not do the job so effectively.

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My understanding is that fuel doesn't explode in the cylinder but rather burns outwards from the spark plug - however, that's being pedantic!;)
Shell V-Power always get good recommendations whichever car forum you look at. My nearest Shell station is about 8 or 9 miles away, so not so handy, especially as its a road I rarely drive. Might have to find an excuse to go that way soon.
Mike
By explode I mean instantaneously combust (or act like diesel). All hydrocarbon fuels will explode if mixed with oxygen and put under enough pressure. The lower the octane, the lower the pressure needed to make it go bang (without a spark).

The spark plug is used to ignite the fuel/air at the correct time.
 

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By explode I mean instantaneously combust (or act like diesel). All hydrocarbon fuels will explode if mixed with oxygen and put under enough pressure. The lower the octane, the lower the pressure needed to make it go bang (without a spark).

The spark plug is used to ignite the fuel/air at the correct time.
Just to explain why this is important - Higher octane fuel self 'detonates' at a higher temperature and when it does ignite from the spark it burns more fiercely (so creates more expansion on the burn and so more power or the same power from less fuel).

Engines that are prone to knocking (self detonation) will run better on higher octane. It pushes the temperature at which fuel ignites beyond its self detonation point so the spark itself initiates the fuel burn in a controlled manner through the cylinder.

The fuel temperature is a function of a number of things including the amount of compression (compress any gas and it will heat up) which explains why many high performance engines need higher RON - it isn't necessarily for performance as such but simply to stop self-detonation of the fuel.

My 3.0 is only 10.7:1 which is lower than many, so, from a fuel burn aspect will easily tolerate 95RON.
Better fuel consumption will result from using higher octane fuel, but, it won't be dramatic and is unlikely to recover the much higher cost increase I face at the local garage. Doing 60-100 miles a day (well you have to when the weather is this good) means the additional cost is significantly higher even of some improved fuel consumption results.

98RON fuel or higher tends to come with additional additives to provide cleaning. This is probably where the major fuel players products win out. That however is a marketing ploy not the fuel itself. All fuel is the same as its delivered from the refinery, but then, they each add their own additive mix.
Decent 95RON fuel from a major supplier is likely to be better than that from a supermarket - the fuel is the same but the additives are not.

I think majority of benefit comes from this rather than higher octane itself for daily use. However, if you're standing on it routinely and running the engine harder more often then 98RON where it is optional is likely to be much more noticeable. Super-unleaded is likely to give you a much cleaner engine (with clear benefits) but less benefit in terms of power unless you're in the habit of hoofing it more than most. Consumption improvements may be limited if that's what you're after.

Many subscribe to running one full tank in 4 or 5 of 98RON simply to get the benefits of the additives. That sounds a sensible compromise to me.
 

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I found that with my car the Shell V-Power actually works out very slightly cheaper as well. I kept very careful data, I'm an academic scientist so it comes naturally, and found that the greater MPG I got from V-Power, (after the second tank full) more than compensated for the extra price. The additional additives, and the improved MPG make it a no-brainer for me.

In my Mazda 3 it seems to make no difference at all to the MPG.
 

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I found that with my car the Shell V-Power actually works out very slightly cheaper as well. I kept very careful data, I'm an academic scientist so it comes naturally, and found that the greater MPG I got from V-Power, (after the second tank full) more than compensated for the extra price. The additional additives, and the improved MPG make it a no-brainer for me.

In my Mazda 3 it seems to make no difference at all to the MPG.
Have you tried 99RON from Tesco? It's much cheaper than Shell Nitro+.

It will give a good indication as to whether it's the higher octane or the additives that improve the mpg.
 

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In certain fuel stations on the Euro Cruise we were getting 100+ octane, that excited me and @Lee some what :D:D
 

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Always use 99 RON (only Shell and Tesco fuel I think) in all my cars. No science, just like to use the best I can get. Remember using 5 star leaded in a 1147cc Triumph Spitfire years ago for same reason. Too old to change principle now.:(
 

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In certain fuel stations on the Euro Cruise we were getting 100+ octane, that excited me and @Lee some what :D:D
Yeah I did get a little excited, 105 octane at the pump is rare :D
 

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And a few made good use of it too. 100+ octane was lovely.
 

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Thanks for your clear explanation Zorg Guru (IV). I don't pretend to understand the science of fuel burning in the IC engine, only what I have read, but I am with you as to the perceived benefits of super-unleaded petrol. I am by no means a fast driver and would hardly ever see the tacho approaching the red line, so together with the large extra cost of super, I can't see much benefit for the excess cash. Perhaps I will use a tankful from time to time as you suggest.
Thanks to all who have contributed. It's an interesting if controversial topic!
 

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Yeah I did get a little excited, 105 octane at the pump is rare :D
Surprised you weren't mainlining that stuff =))
 
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Hhmmmm BP ultra is only 97
Shall have to sniff out some of this
99 + liquid ;)
 
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Octane 102 in the Gulf 0.3 miles from me :)

Have a 100 mile sprint to complete Friday, will review :thumbsup:
 
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