Is it just me?

jonco

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Barry Gadd

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Jonco's absolutely right and the link shows the expansion tank clearly. In addition to the O ring seals at the bottom there is a short spur going into the radiator on the inside (on the honeycomb side). Joe's car had blown the expansion tank out of its seals and I managed to put it back. I tried to force it back into place by hand but not being a Schwartzeneger lookalike I failed miserably.
I managed by using a rope tourniquet then putting a lump of wood under the rope on top of the rad cap and levering down with a hefty screwdriver. It worked a charm..... You do need to put a dribble of washing up liquid around the O ring seals.
Hope you get your car sorted.
 

FRANKIE

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You are nearly right Jim, Tensile Strength does play a part in this but only in deciding which grade of bolt to use against the desired clamping force required. The tensile strength of a bolt is actually the point at which it breaks in two (to keep it simple), the proof load (yield) is the point at which the bolt starts to go beyond the elastic limit, when bolts are tested for use, the key pass criteria is to have the minimum proof load applied to the bolt and for the length of the bolt to be unchanged to the un-stressed length, if it is longer it is said to have gone into permanent set and failed.

When tightening bolts on normal joints you usually apply only 60 - 80% of the proof load, that way you are guaranteed not to send the bolt into yield and plastic deformation.

That said sometimes it is important to achieve maximum clamping force, which is where tightening to yield comes into play, in order to achieve this these bolts have to be made from really good alloy steel, closely controlled on heat treatment for both core and surface properties, and then the shanks are sometimes ground to ensure the body diameter is almost identical (but not much benefit, as failure occurs in the smallest diameter - threads) on each bolt and then coated with manganese phosphate to ensure a consistent coefficient of friction, and then these bolts are then torqued up to just below the yield limit, and then a degree of turn added, called angle, this is normally done on a special machine with transducers to accurately monitor the torque.

I did say i was going to do a write up on bolting and materials, must get round to it.
Easy to see here:
View: http://youtu.be/kKXtINOU58s


Also, an interesting tutorial on head bolt installing. One or two things have changed from the old manuals I've read in the past:

View: http://youtu.be/5WHBskK_F3o


Frankie
 

FRANKIE

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so the first vid says always replace head bolts and the second one the guy is reusing them... also he is running them on a wire wheel which is removing the coating Zed mentioned earlier... hmmmm :)
He is not using bolts that are not reusable. I thought that also the first time I watched it but not the second. Also, don't assume that the bolts he was cleaning were ones that were coated. Most bolts I've used were not coated ones.
 

t-tony

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To be honest I wouldn't risk re-using head bolts because the cost of a set of bolts is far out weighed by the cost of another cylinder head gasket/set and the stress of having to repeat the job as well. Personally I hate wasting my life doing a job twice where ever it is avoidable.

Tony.

ps How is the Z running Frankie? Anything happening on the new roof front. Please keep us posted as I'm hopefully doing this soon. Take care.
 

oldcarman

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T-tony, are you still thinking of green? The best price I can find so far is $399 US plus shipping in green. Don't understand what colour has to do with it but anything other than Black and Tan cost a lot more. As well, none have a zip in window except BMW.
 

t-tony

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Black and Tan are the stock colours Jim, anything out of the ordinary is likely to come at a premium. I would like to stick with the green but eventually it will come down to what I can afford. Zip in window is of no consequence really, by the time it might need replacing I probably won't care any more.;)
 
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