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Anyone got any experience of home EV chargers?
Types, reliability, options etc?

Thanks
 

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I had one fitted through a government scheme.
Never even turned it on all I know is it's white and green... sorry ha.
 

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I had one fitted through a government scheme.
Never even turned it on all I know is it's white and green... sorry ha.
That’s what I’m planning - but it will be turned ;).
Most of our journeys are just a few miles now so energy at less than 3ppm is the target.
 

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My ops manager has one now and is quite impressed with it just now
 

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My ops manager has one now and is quite impressed with it just now
I wasn’t sure what to expect when we did a test drive, but, it was like nothing else I’ve driven. Ultra quiet when pulling away smooth and linear. No noise when the engine cuts in as you press the throttle harder and no gear changes noticeable from the ZF box. It has all the great drive of the 3 series. The regenerative braking feels a little odd but you quickly get used to it but it stops when you need it too.
A very accomplished bit of machinery.
If they can increase the power density in the batteries and get double the distance then it’s a great combination.
Not sure I could live with a 3 cylinder hybrid though.
 

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That’s what I’m planning - but it will be turned ;).
Most of our journeys are just a few miles now so energy at less than 3ppm is the target.
Averaging 87mpg with mine on a very rural 34 mile commute plus motorway work ..... very happy
 

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@Redline

Phone: 01535 444101 – Email: McNallyelectrical@hotmail.com

These guys are good, they offer a national service and help you through the Government scheme, cost is £199.00 inc VAT after the scheme approval.
 

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I believe you need one of these ?
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I believe you need one of these ?
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If only wireless charging was a realistic option. Sadly, the lorry sized tank of liquid nitrogen needed to get some efficiency at this scale of the process is likely to be a little handicap. :whistle:
 

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I'd love to know what the cost of ownership is.

My man-maths has shown it to be uneconomic. I'd love to be proved wrong, as I'd really like to go electric - especially for work driving.
 

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I'd love to know what the cost of ownership is.

My man-maths has shown it to be uneconomic. I'd love to be proved wrong, as I'd really like to go electric - especially for work driving.
If you’re doing lots of journeys within the range of a charge, especially a single overnight charge, then you’re paying less than 3ppm.
ICEs are least efficient on these journeys too. Considering our profile, judicious use of off peak charging against fuel costs and road tax then I expect to be saving several £k pa (compared to the same profile on the Disco).
If we were both still doing 50 to 100 miles a day, the numbers certainly don’t work using a hybrid. They probably won’t work if you have a fuel efficient diesel

Mpg on petrol is lower than a petrol only car. High ICE use does cost more.
For those subject to London congestion charge savings are enormous, but, you need a reasonable percentage of short local journeys.
It really is a numbers job for private users. Companies and business drivers do get large benefits.
Carrying two drive trains doesn’t make sense. It’s purely a transition while battery energy density improves.
I believe it works for us now, but, it certainly won’t work for everyone.
 

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You got a 330e?
No Golf GTE Advance. Had the BMW for a day engine cut in way too much for my liking plus too basic for the money and the mpg returns weren't good on paper (or in the real world), Merc and Passat tried too but to big I wanted to down size so it was either the 330 or the Golf, Golf did it for me as I could spec it up to the hilt.
 

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If you’re doing lots of journeys within the range of a charge, especially a single overnight charge, then you’re paying less than 3ppm.
ICEs are least efficient on these journeys too. Considering our profile, judicious use of off peak charging against fuel costs and road tax then I expect to be saving several £k pa (compared to the same profile on the Disco).
If we were both still doing 50 to 100 miles a day, the numbers certainly don’t work using a hybrid. They probably won’t work if you have a fuel efficient diesel

Mpg on petrol is lower than a petrol only car. High ICE use does cost more.
For those subject to London congestion charge savings are enormous, but, you need a reasonable percentage of short local journeys.
It really is a numbers job for private users. Companies and business drivers do get large benefits.
Carrying two drive trains doesn’t make sense. It’s purely a transition while battery energy density improves.
I believe it works for us now, but, it certainly won’t work for everyone.
It totally depends on the distance you need to travel, the charge capacity and where you charge. I will from this month have an 8 mile round trip commute and I charge the car free at work. No brainer for me long term as I wont use the engine at all for the office run. That will more than make up for the motorway driving where I'll get 55 to 60 mpg. I currently have a 34 mile commute and still average mid 80s mpg in hybrid mode, cant see a down side at the moment.

Edit:
The other thing, it requires a totally different driving style to get the efficiency IMHO
 

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Done 20k in my 330e and it's averaging 45mpg

It's an amazing bit of kit but flawed also

Biggest thing for me is the cost and lack of eV infrastructure when I'm driving around

Which doesn't sound like much bit with its ridiculously low co2 I'm quids in compared to my old volvo v40 diesel

(company car scheme)
 

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It totally depends on the distance you need to travel, the charge capacity and where you charge. I will from this month have an 8 mile round trip commute and I charge the car free at work. No brainer for me long term as I wont use the engine at all for the office run. That will more than make up for the motorway driving where I'll get 55 to 60 mpg. I currently have a 34 mile commute and still average mid 80s mpg in hybrid mode, cant see a down side at the moment.

Edit:
The other thing, it requires a totally different driving style to get the efficiency IMHO
No office, no work. That’s one of the reasons. Mainly doing local runs.

Having driven Diesel engines, especially large ones with lots of torque, i think it’s an easy transition. If you’re keen on the throttle then the engine cuts in quickly. I drove around Huddersfield which is quite hilly and it cut in just twice. Drive like you stole it all the time and you won’t see the benefit.
The electronics work hard to give you a normal drive while getting ‘some’ cheaper driving. It is of course all compromises.

You’re right about the specs though. Difficult to find well spec’d examples and those you do are steeply priced.
Was never going to buy new but did come across a 9 month old SE with just 1000 miles on it and with leather plus Pro audio/navigation at just over half list price. Didn’t want an M-sport because the ride on harder suspension and low profile tyres is too crashy. Got Gail’s E89 for that ;)

Got some motorway to do today. Will report back on that later. Am keen to see how the sat nav works alongside the engine management. It’s supposed to analyse the journey and plan where to use electric.
 

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Done 20k in my 330e and it's averaging 45mpg

It's an amazing bit of kit but flawed also

Biggest thing for me is the cost and lack of eV infrastructure when I'm driving around

Which doesn't sound like much bit with its ridiculously low co2 I'm quids in compared to my old volvo v40 diesel

(company car scheme)
45mpg i’ll take against the low 20’s from the Disco at times.
Longer journeys your always trading the electric benefit against hauling the battery and motor around on the ICE.

I think it will take a few more years before electric only becomes more widely used. Radically different construction techniques and materials are needed to reduce weight. They’re available if you look at the i3 but still expensive and you don’t get the handling off those super skinny tyres.

Not had to think about infrastructure yet. That’ll be a journey too.

Any real problems with your 330e?
Does the fuel filler cap issue cause you any problems?
 

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Am keen to see how the sat nav works alongside the engine management. It’s supposed to analyse the journey and plan where to use electric.
The VW system does that as an option not tried it yet, will be interesting though, let me know how you find it.
 
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