Help EBC Red stuff brake pads

[Paul Rice]

Fitted these to mine. i have heard of problems initially with noise?
Well mine seem to be eating the discs as well?
The noise sounds like when the pads are down to metal and i have iron filings in the inner of the wheel.
How long do they take to bed in and should i put the original healthy pads back in?

 

[t-tony]

Have you got drilled and grooved discs on Paul? I used EBC pads and painted them yellow sometimes I get a little noise from the brakes but the discs are still like new. When I fitted the new brakes on Ants car after he damaged his arm the directions said to really hammer them from new to burn the coating off the discs.

Tony.

 

[Paul Rice]

The discs are grooved and dimpled and have about 5 k of wear, just replaced the pads the noise is very loud and quite embarrassing

 

[t-tony]

Is it possible you have picked up a stone, or is it both sides and right across the discs contact area mate? Is the disc surface rough or smooth?

Tony.

 

[Paul Rice]

Is it possible you have picked up a stone, or is it both sides and right across the discs contact area mate? Is the disc surface rough or smooth?

Tony.

Its both sides, i cleaned the discs of Surface rust with brake cleaner so the discs are clean and smooth. Unable to drive far just around the block as planning on Taxing in March so will probably give it a run somewhere quite (well quite till i get there) then if no improvement will put the Pagid ones back on. One chap on Piston heads recommends heavy braking 60 down to 20 then 100 down to 20 then leave car for 2 hours then repeat. This has drawbacks one being don't have access to a racetrack or Runway where you can do 100 legally. EBC say it can take up to 1500 miles which seems a lot

 

[Rha]

Had red on my Z3 for years Paul, with groove-drilled discs and did have to run them in harshly at first getting noise too.
The main problem I had was that until they’re warm/used a bit first thing they tend to fade a little on first application so be careful up to first braking point. Other than that they were real nice have now got yellow stuff pads on the Coupe and they’re even better but don’t give you the same amount of mileage. I personally wouldn’t go back to red stuff as I’ve found on advice from @Lee the yellow are better. You’ll get more dust from the yellow stuff but think it’s a small price to pay IMO.

Roy.

 

[Lee]

Had red on my Z3 for years Paul, with groove-drilled discs and did have to run them in harshly at first getting noise too.
The main problem I had was that until they’re warm/used a bit first thing they tend to fade a little on first application so be careful up to first braking point. Other than that they were real nice have now got yellow stuff pads on the Coupe and they’re even better but don’t give you the same amount of mileage. I personally wouldn’t go back to red stuff as I’ve found on advice from @Lee the yellow are better. You’ll get more dust from the yellow stuff but think it’s a small price to pay IMO.

Roy.

Just to follow up the advice I gave Roy, unless your going to track I wouldn't bother with Reds unless your driving is very spirited.

The reds and yellow pads will eat discs due to the aggressive nature of the material It's a trade off for such good braking. I did a set of discs every 3 sets of pads but that was including track time. They will also be noisy if you lightly use them all the time.

 

[Paul Rice]

Just to follow up the advice I gave Roy, unless your going to track I wouldn't bother with Reds unless your driving is very spirited.

The reds and yellow pads will eat discs due to the aggressive nature of the material It's a trade off for such good braking. I did a set of discs every 3 sets of pads but that was including track time. They will also be noisy if you lightly use them all the time.

Cheers Lee. think the pagid ones will be going back in

 

[Rha]

Toss up really, brake late scare the wife sh.....s or put pagid back in drive like me on Sundays in the Fiat.

 

[t-tony]

I used these pads Paul, very happy with them. Hardly any dust, little disc wear and great stopping.

Pardon our interruption...

Tony.

 

[Nodzed]

RED stuff have a run in coating on them, they are noisy initially. I have used them on the M for the last 5 years and had no issues, great pads IMHO also done 30k on the same discs (Black Diamond 12 grooved) with RS pads (2nd set). Will defo get another set of pads out of the discs. I am guessing if you are going down the Red or yellow stuff pads you need to put decent discs on to combat the wear?

 

[Paul Rice]

Like the idea of better braking but the noise is un bearable

 

[Nodzed]

Like the idea of better braking but the noise is un bearable

How many miles have you done on them Paul? The brake in surface is very abrasive and will make a hell of a noise, it needs to be worn off, takes quite a few miles if memory serves, especially if you are light on the brakes and takes longer on the rears

 

[Paul Rice]

No miles really as SORN at the moment just a run round the block. The noise level is really high getting strange looks from passes by, the worrying thing is the amount of metal filings that's coming off assuming the Discs.

 

[t-tony]

It’s not coming off the discs Paul it’s coming off the pads. You would believe the stick I had to give Ant’s car to bed them in for him ready to collect from my place. I wouldn’t give up on them just yet.

Tony.

 

[Nodzed]

No miles really as SORN at the moment just a run round the block. The noise level is really high getting strange looks from passes by, the worrying thing is the amount of metal filings that's coming off assuming the Discs.

Hi, keep them in you need a good run out to wear them in, the brake in surface is there to give you instant braking efficiency from the pads from new/cold while they bed in. Trust me the noise will go away.

 

[t-tony]

Back in the day you could buy coated pads which would clean up corroded discs, back when vented discs cost an arm and a leg. @gookah will remember

Tony.

 

[Paul Rice]

After trying the excess braking, noise has reduced but not completely but different. So off with the wheels put the old pads back in wheels back on sounds like the back plate. There was a rivet broken on the back plate, put a bolt and nylon nut on sorted that out. Noise disappears until i put the wheels back on then the noise appears but wheel not catching anywhere? Had me baffled, checked that nothing was catching?
"Eureka moment" I have spaces front 12 and rear 15 which have extended bolts it seems with the 12" spacers the wheel bolts protrude through the hub and are hitting the back plate. Spacers removed standard studs fitted noise all gone.
Options. Leave off the front spacers. look to having spacers with shorter studs. or replace the back plate obviously something not right with it as was OK before the brake re furb.

 

[t-tony]

Shouldn't be a problem with spacers and bolts as they come with the correct length bolts. Have you had all 4 wheels off at the same time and possibly mixed the bolts, that is assuming you have different size spacers front and rear?
I had the same problem last year when I put my winter wheels on. But my problem was the spacer was still in the summer wheel - in the shed!!

Tony.

 

[Paul Rice]

15" at the rear and 12" at the front studs same length all round