Britain leaves the EU

I heard one lady on the radio today who said that she honestly didn't think the vote would go that way, and was making a protest vote against Cameron. She says she feels pretty sick about it now.

to be honest, she should have her right to vote removed. What is the point of voting against the opinion of a PM just because you don't like him? Total waste of democracy, she should be ashamed of herself for both voting in that manner and for admitting it!
 
This country used to be my home for nearly 5 years, my kids have English as their first language. I am very inclined for prosperity of UK. Though, since the referendum I've changed my mind on obtaining British citizenship. Clearly nation want us, Latvians, Poles, you name it, out. So for now I'll do what I must and let's God decide what will be next.

@ppavuk in my view, those that come, work, integrate, respect our laws and ways and don't take the p1ss are more than welcome.

Those that come, create their own communities, refuse to speak English, demand changes to suit themselves and freeload off our sometimes too generous benefits and health systems are, in my opinion, not at all welcome.

Neither of the above is specific to countries that are EU members, it covers ALL countries, EU residents have just benefited from easier entry.

I get the feeling you very much fit the first category. You work here, your family speak English and you drive a convertible sports car in a country where it always rains, you must be one of us!
 
Those that come, create their own communities, refuse to speak English, demand changes to suit themselves and freeload off our sometimes too generous benefits and health systems are, in my opinion, not at all welcome.

For sure they not welcome, but I must say I don't know which percent of EU immigrants do so. To me it seems that's more common for our friends from other parts of the world (I recently drove thru certain part of Birmingham, you know what I mean...). Of course, this is based only on my personal experience, I simply don't know anybody from EU on benefits.

I have had a customer, a big logistic company, 3000+ staff, and majority of their staff are Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians etc... They work for minimal wage, and only reason they are here is because Britons refuse to work for such money. I think it is quite naively to think that if those will be evicted the business will raise wages. They simply can't afford to pay more to manual workers, regardless who those workers are Britons or immigrants. The margin in business which require a lot of manual workforce usually very low. The low wages not because the owners and management are greedy, but because of nature of the business. Being financial\IT consultant I did had access to this business (and dozens of other businesses!) books and I can clearly see this one had turnover of 120M and profit about 1.5% only. There is simply no room to increase wages. I also want to outline that office staff in this business is 99.9% British, and if this company will go burst - they will lost their jobs too!

Of course, I am ashamed by actions of some people from my country, who come here, demand benefits, not working, not speaking English, not integrate, not involved in community life etc... But again, is it issue with EU? I think this could be the issue with benefits system itself. For instance, in Austria (which is part of EU too) to get any benefits (including free access to their NHS) one (even EU citizen) must get a permanent resident status, which can be granted only to working person who passed German language exam. Yes, EU citizens can come to live to Austria, but they have to live on their own, not milking Austrian welfare system. I am actually have no answer why Austria allowed to do so and Britain not, and I get no idea why politicians not outlining this example in their talks with EU. I am clearly not a great expert on benefit system as I am not entitled to any, but I have a feeling that those who came here to milking welfare system exploiting a holes not in EU but in British legislation. I clearly don't see why something allowed by Brussels to Austria isn't allowed to UK. Another example, in Latvia (my home country) to get ANY job one who don't have Latvian school diploma must pass a very strict Latvian language exam. Some native Latvian speakers suggest that exam level is so tight so not all native speakers will pass it. Again - this is permitted by EU in such minor EU country as Latvia is. Why not to introduce same English exam here in UK? That certainly would bring the immigration level of unskilled workers to absolute minimum. This ppl just dumb enough to fail any exam :)

For some reason government not acting this way, and there must be a reason why!

Even more, following Brexit referendum EU is revoked the resent deal (limits for benefits for foreigners) - and we still in EU, for next 2 years at least, if not longer. Clearly in this 2 years even more dishonest people attracted by British welfare system will come, and there is no legal way to evict them. Perhaps after UK will quit EU there will be a way to get rid of those, and I'll be more then happy if this will be done. But this will come with price. UK is so integrated to common market so decision to quit already crashed London stock exchange, already brought pound to history low level, and years of uncertainty ahead will cost economy a fortune. Business does not like uncertainty. And we all will pay consequences, such as pound value drop, such as stock market crash, such as raising price of living, more expensive mortgages and so on.

There is another aspect - the departure from EU may cause that high-skilled EU migrants will depart, as people like me can actually find a job/create a business in virtually any country, and if there will be issues with british economy following brexit - Britain will be less attractive. In turn, those who on benefits, they aren't that flexible, and they won't leave at their will, they would need to be evicted, which not that easy even being outside EU.
 
This country used to be my home for nearly 5 years, my kids have English as their first language. I am very inclined for prosperity of UK. Though, since the referendum I've changed my mind on obtaining British citizenship. Clearly nation want us, Latvians, Poles, you name it, out. So for now I'll do what I must and let's God decide what will be next.
@ppavuk I dont agree with you my friend, I dont think the majority of UK citizens have any issue with hard working, law abiding people coming to the UK to settle and make a new life regardless of their nationality, religion etc. Its the ones that come intending to live of the state and break the law etc is the problem, trouble is there seems to be more of these. @smiffy makes some good points.
 
@ppavuk I dont agree with you my friend, I dont think the majority of UK citizens have any issue with hard working, law abiding people coming to the UK to settle and make a new life regardless of their nationality, religion etc. Its the ones that come intending to live of the state and break the law etc is the problem, trouble is there seems to be more of these. @smiffy makes some good points.

Well, it may be a little too emotional reaction from my side.

Clearly I've attracted to UK by two factors: First: UK is a lot more progressive in terms of society development comparing to post-soviet countries as Latvia is. So this society looks lot more suitable and promising for my kids, who will become a Britons, unlike me (well, I am clearly too old to become a Briton). Second: the market for what I am doing is much more developed here. The industry I am working for is about 2bn in UK in terms of turnover while only about 2mln in Latvia. It is a lot simpler to do business here, and market is huge and demanding. Working in this country I am not only better-off myself, I also contribute a lot to UK economy via taxes I pay and money I spend. I am not taking an Briton job, the industry just require more people with right skills that Britain have inside. My customers are mostly British companies (apart of few from USA) and they require my skills and my services to prosper. I never ever had a penny of taxpayer money (here in UK and in Latvia too), I am not even entitled to child benefits due to 60K cap. I think it is fair deal.

I never ever had any issue here before, but the exit campaign based sometimes on lies and xenophobia is a little bit upsetting for ppl like me. That seems there is clearly a fair number of people who want me out of here regardless to what I do and what I don't. In other hand - level of xenophobia is fairly higher in my home country, so perhaps I am still better-off here :) The only thing that Latvian xenophobia isn't about me but it not makes xenophobia itself any better.

I hate those who come here to milking welfare system more than Britons hate them as those ppl put stain on me as well! So at least I have something in common here! Shame that this is hate in common.

My first emotional reaction to brexit was to depart immediately. But I won't do so. I am actually belive this country is good for my kids, and anything I am receiving here (nhs, kids education, infrastructure) funded by taxes I am paying, so I don't feel I am in any debt. I don't think Britain will be better-off evicting people like me too.

I was thinking of applying for British passport to technically become british citizen, but for time being likely will stay in permanent resident status. In new reaity I feel more flexible with Latvian passport though.
 
Well, it may be a little too emotional reaction from my side.

Clearly I've attracted to UK by two factors: First: UK is a lot more progressive in terms of society development comparing to post-soviet countries as Latvia is. So this society looks lot more suitable and promising for my kids, who will become a Britons, unlike me (well, I am clearly too old to become a Briton). Second: the market for what I am doing is much more developed here. The industry I am working for is about 2bn in UK in terms of turnover while only about 2mln in Latvia. It is a lot simpler to do business here, and market is huge and demanding. Working in this country I am not only better-off myself, I also contribute a lot to UK economy via taxes I pay and money I spend. I am not taking an Briton job, the industry just require more people with right skills that Britain have inside. My customers are mostly British companies (apart of few from USA) and they require my skills and my services to prosper. I never ever had a penny of taxpayer money (here in UK and in Latvia too), I am not even entitled to child benefits due to 60K cap. I think it is fair deal.

I never ever had any issue here before, but the exit campaign based sometimes on lies and xenophobia is a little bit upsetting for ppl like me. That seems there is clearly a fair number of people who want me out of here regardless to what I do and what I don't. In other hand - level of xenophobia is fairly higher in my home country, so perhaps I am still better-off here :) The only thing that Latvian xenophobia isn't about me but it not makes xenophobia itself any better.

I hate those who come here to milking welfare system more than Britons hate them as those ppl put stain on me as well! So at least I have something in common here! Shame that this is hate in common.

My first emotional reaction to brexit was to depart immediately. But I won't do so. I am actually belive this country is good for my kids, and anything I am receiving here (nhs, kids education, infrastructure) funded by taxes I am paying, so I don't feel I am in any debt. I don't think Britain will be better-off evicting people like me too.

I was thinking of applying for British passport to technically become british citizen, but for time being likely will stay in permanent resident status. In new reaity I feel more flexible with Latvian passport though.
@ppavuk This is such a multicultural country and had been for many years (from well before the EU) being British I believe has more to do with values and pride in where you are and in what you do and less to do with where you were born (though some may disagree with me) You stay put pal, you sound British enough for me :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
This country used to be my home for nearly 5 years, my kids have English as their first language. I am very inclined for prosperity of UK. Though, since the referendum I've changed my mind on obtaining British citizenship. Clearly nation want us, Latvians, Poles, you name it, out. So for now I'll do what I must and let's God decide what will be next.

@ppavuk - the whole of Great Britain seems to be falling out with itself after the referendum. Families, friends and work places are all arguing..... My only hope is that we get over the result and start working together for a better future (and as a reminder I had strong remain views). We should celebrate our similarities not argue over our differences.

The decision has been made and that's that. But from me - and I hope from many, many other people too - I'd like you to feel welcome and be judged not on nationality, creed or colour but on what you bring to the country.
 
@ppavuk - the whole of Great Britain seems to be falling out with itself after the referendum. Families, friends and work places are all arguing.....
I know what is divided society from experience. It is not any good, and certainly most worrying issue of Brexit.
 
The democratic vote is in favour of Brexit so Sour Grapes just doesn't cut it any more.
The media have had there day so it's time to move on and look forward.
The politicians and the wealthy on all sides have missed the boat and the dog has returned to bite them on the arse. So now they have a golden opportunity, To Treat the Bite and get it Right.

Rha, Roy.
 
Having just returned from an amazing Zed meet in Europe. I was amazed at how many wanted to thank us for starting to upset the eu apple cart.

To quote. One family together working in harmony but each with his own ruling government. We are different and will always be so, but we will always be friends. One thing that stuck in my mind was the amount of people that shared the view that the EU control has got it completely wrong. We want to be a family but not as the elite want it.
 
Well said @pgunter....and don't forget folks there is no homogeneous big Europe out there....there are many countries, all different, populated by people with different ideas about what they want.
 
Well said @pgunter....and don't forget folks there is no homogeneous big Europe out there....there are many countries, all different, populated by people with different ideas about what they want.
Bang on @Gail. We all have loads in comman but the United States of Europe we are not. Just spent the last week in Paris working with French, Swiss, Belgians, Spanish, Finish, Danish, German, Brits(all flavours) and even Chinese. All quality people but all differant.
 
Can you all please tell me why (me being a European) why I see, for example, loads of closed down pubs in the UK?
Over here, they just keep opening new ones....:confused:
HT's quote: "Can you all please tell me why (me being a European) why I see, for example, loads of closed down pubs in the UK?
Over here, they just keep opening new ones."

In your neighborhood? Frankie
 
HT's quote: "Can you all please tell me why (me being a European) why I see, for example, loads of closed down pubs in the UK?
Over here, they just keep opening new ones."

In your neighborhood? Frankie
Weed FRANKIE, weed :) Our Dutch friends do like to schmoke a bit =))
 
Bang on @Gail. We all have loads in comman but the United States of Europe we are not. Just spent the last week in Paris working with French, Swiss, Belgians, Spanish, Finish, Danish, German, Brits(all flavours) and even Chinese. All quality people but all differant.[/QUOT

Brexit.............generating American fears........................(this should get a lot of you screaming....................

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