Britain leaves the EU

[andyglym]

The World is still revolving on its axis this morning and it will continue to do so. I have no doubt that there will be some issues ahead for both the EU and GB, however, I have every confidence that all will turn out well in the end (for us). The Social Experiment that is the EU is teetering on the edge; NEXIT; FREXIT and more to potentially follow. Delighted with the result, personally. Oh, to the 30% ish that didn't vote, shame on you, you have no say.

Let's see what the SNP may do

 

[andyglym]

If it puts anyones minds at rest...

There seems to be a lot ofmisunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:

You re not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.

You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.

You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.

You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).

You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.

You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).

The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.

Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.

Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.

You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.

You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.

You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!

What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive...

Well put that man

 

[andyglym]

Thoughts?

Does this mean we can no longer enter the Eurovision Song Contest

 

[mktommo]

Things will change - some for the better and some for the worse.... Financial markets taken a big short term hit but that was all expected by both sides.

Real questions are whether businesses choose to relocate or European countries find it cheaper and easier to trade elsewhere and nobody really knows - but if (and it is only if) these things come to pass it will costs jobs and risk another recession. If it does we've democratically voted for it so we live with the consequences.

The leave champions are already backtracking on things like £350m a week contribution (Farage admitted it wasn't true on TV today), on immigration (just about everyone admitted that there is no plan and that c180,000 immigrants a year are from outside the EU in any case), so what else have we voted for other than an intangible issue on sovereignty?

Personally I don't think it is worth the risk but its a democratic choice and I'll live with it.............

 

[hard top]

Google search spike suggests many people don't know why they voted for Brexit.

• The term 'What happens if we leave the EU?' soared after the polls closed​

• Google reported a 250% spike in searches for the phrase before 5.30am​

• Referendum results showed 51.9% of UK voters opted to leave the EU​

Analysis of Internet searches made in the small hours revealed many people may not have known exactly what they were voting for in the EU referendum.
Google Trends recorded a huge spike in the number of people asking ‘What happens if we leave the EU?’, after the polls had closed.​

And this is just.....

• Some Leave voters expressed unease at today's shock referendum result

• One woman said she was 'disappointed' and would vote Remain next time

• Another man said he opted Brexit because his vote would be insignificant

• One voter said she felt 'robbed' of her vote because she was fed 'lies'

 

[Nodzed]

I'm celebrating Brexit by eating nuts from Spain and drinking wine from Italy, (didn't say I don't like their products just don't want to be in their gang!)

 

[Nodzed]

The EU is in serious trouble following Brexit, France, Denmark, Greece and more want a referendum give it 10 years and it will all be gone (and that's generous). They never thought GB would vote out and now they are panicking, words of reform from nations leaders, change is needed says the French PM, well yes it has been needed for a very long time but now GB has given them a kick up the arse.

 

[smiffy]

After reading the results overbreakfast this morning, I climbed in my van and smiled.

As I drove down the tree lined road, I admired the clear blue sky. A flock of racing pigeons circled overhead. That's jolly British I thought, and remembered the members of the Macclesfield Pigeon Club I met one cold January in Blackpool. How very British they were.

Stopped at the barbers for a hair cut and everyone was smiling and happy.

Everyone I've met today has been happy. At work we received a number of export orders from EU countries. I've also ordered a load of equipment from a Dutch warehouse. Life and work goes on.

We will survive, we can retain a free trade agreement with those countries that want our customer and service.

The saddest part of today was visiting the very empty fish market and docks where our fishing fleet once called home.

 

[t-tony]

People forget the Spanish fishing our waters while the British fleet were tied up. Scraping the ocean floor and leaving nothing.

Tony.

 

[littlefeller]

the only problem now is who am i going to blame for everything now.

personally im quite optimistic, i voted out but then i got up Friday morning, switched on the tv and thought ooops what have we done.
then i had a little chuckle to myself (infact i chuckled all day) the cause of my humour was seeing the Scottish reaction, they voted to stick with us and we dragged them out of the EU kicking and screaming, and what makes this even funnier is they somehow think that if they now break away they can remain in the EU, "HOW" your out like us, they just haven't realised it yet.
Dont get me wrong, im not laughing because i like there misfortune, im part Scottish myself, its simply i find the irony quite comical (i have always liked Monty pythons irony humour)
you know - when the sh...t hits the fan, all you need to do is hum the some mothers do have them theme tune in your head and it doesn't seem so bad, give it a try next time your in the crap it does work

Britain doesnt need the EU- the EU needs britain.

look at it this way - if your a rich country why would you join the EU and have to give piles of your wealth away, while on the other hand if your a poor country you have everything to gain by joining, so it stands to reason the EU will only get poorer as the country's wanting to join will be the ones nobody else wants, you will notice Russia does not want to join even though they are European - why.

my emoticon for today is

 

[billz]

I see the French are wanting to get the calais migrants to be placed in camps in the UK how are they going to do that as they are on their soil so are they totally going to just open their border with the UK to anyone. I can not see our Governments allowing that to happen.

 

[littlefeller]

if in doubt on what to do now, just check this out
http://www.wikihow.com/Talk-Like-a-Pirate

 

[Redline]

I see the French are wanting to get the calais migrants to be placed in camps in the UK how are they going to do that as they are on their soil so are they totally going to just open their border with the UK to anyone. I can not see our Governments allowing that to happen.

Why would the French want to stop migrants getting to our shores?
It's the first thing that will happen and it will end up taking hours to get back into the UK and eventually will cause the tunnel to close. Our government will have no say. All checks will have to be done on British soil. Our border posts. That's what was voted for. Separation from Europe. Don't blame the French.
The rush of economic migrants will be greater in the other direction so you will have plenty of space. Hope this was factored into the vote to leave.

 

[abh29]

Great news, for me and people /friends I know the bottom line was being in charge of our own laws, and being masters of our own country, and putting two fingers up to the European courts .
If there is a financial penalty then we'll take that, well worth it for us..
Happy M

Who on the Brexit said ever said a "Financial Penalty" would be paid ----in fact they accused those who pointed that out as scaremongering.
Brexit said we would be better off my £50m per day so why has the market and sterling gone down.
How can we suffer a Financial hit and be better off----I don't get it BUT I did not get the lies being told by both sides of the debate.
Blessing is now Scotland may get their wish and leave us, think how much that will save , as I have never understood why the English seem happy for Scotland and Wales to be given so much more per person than they get.

 

[abh29]

Why would the French want to stop migrants getting to our shores?
It's the first thing that will happen and it will end up taking hours to get back into the UK and eventually will cause the tunnel to close. Our government will have no say. All checks will have to be done on British soil. Our border posts. That's what was voted for. Separation from Europe. Don't blame the French.
The rush of economic migrants will be greater in the other direction so you will have plenty of space. Hope this was factored into the vote to leave.

If I lived in Calais would I want to deal with all the migrants or would I say "let them on the boats and go over to England ,as the British don't want to work with us on the matter"

 

[abh29]

@ Alan W states "You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone"
Please explain how if we are not blocking access to anyone who wants to come we are going to reduce the numbers entering the UK.
This is a bit I never understand as we really do (in my opinion) need to reduce the numbers , but I never saw a detailed method of so doing so from either side.

 

[littlefeller]

this thread is starting to sound like the guy off dads army - were dooooomed

 

[GazHyde]

@smiffy - interestingly a completely different outlook from everyone I encountered at work today. From the 20+ year old software devs through to the 50+ director it wasn't all smiles, just concern and a bit of anger. We are a software service provider to many high street banks.

From the voting maps posted yesterday on the BBC site you come from a strong "leave" area, and we are all from a strong "remain" area (Oxfordshire & West Berkshire).

It just shows how much the views differ are across the country. Life does go on today, but we haven't left yet - and won't be able to leave for another couple of years. Thats going to be when the decision get real.

 

[Redline]

View attachment 35376 this thread is starting to sound like the guy off dads army - were dooooomed

The projection of hope from some has created massive fear in 48% of people. It is democratic but be careful what you wish for. Look at the skills of many of those in the 48%. You need them now more than ever. Keep them in fear many will take their football to play elsewhere. The majority of our youth is now clearly feeling further disenfranchised and punished. They should be our future. What would you do?

 

[andyglym]

View attachment 35376 this thread is starting to sound like the guy off dads army - were dooooomed

Not me, the glass is and will always be half full. The gloom and doom merchants are just wasting valuable energy on thinking what could go wrong instead of 100% focus on the now direction of travel. Despite the biased news reporting there are plenty of positives coming out with various large partner trading Countries already declaring continued trade deals. Angela Merkel now has a face like a smacked a**e because she refused to assist Cameron with the Remain Camp, she now realises that the EU Social Experiment is teetering on the edge with a possible/probable domino effect. On the plus side, Lionel Blair can now not become the President of the United States of Europe.

Other views are available and respected.