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Britain leaves the EU
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Time will tell
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Acousticplayer
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Great news!!!
Great news, for me and people /friends I know the bottom line was being in charge of our own laws, and being masters of our own country, and putting two fingers up to the European courts .
If there is a financial penalty then we'll take that, well worth it for us..
Happy M
If there is a financial penalty then we'll take that, well worth it for us..
Happy M
The Germans are gonna be worried , whose gonna pay the £350, mil, we currently chip in ,
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Wales voted to leave Northern Island voted to stay.
I believe this could have great repercussions within the remainder of the European Union. I do believe we will have some hard times for a couple of years but we have been through them before and have pulled through. I believe the extremity of our situation may depend upon other Countries who are now calling for there own referendums, if they do go to polls in those countries then i think the severity of the out vote will end up being a lot less damaging
I hope that the Pound drops dramatically for a short time so I can buy some for my trip over there in January! It will help the wallet for me 
I'm just wondering how it's going to effect business who deal with Europe. You would have thought Europe would have made more concessions to keep Britain in.
Get your T1 Documents ready.....
In order to bring the goods under the regulations of external Community customs transport, you must submit a T1 declaration to Customs. Goods are not cleared as such, but they can be transported from customs depot to customs depot under the supervision of Customs.
A T-document has restricted validity and must be settled in time by means of a subsequent document or be cleared into free circulation by means of clearance. (Payment of tax)
Customs refers to external Community customs transport when non-Community goods are transported from one location in the EU to another location in the EU. Even when the transport of non-Community goods does not take place via a non-EU country, Customs will still refer to it as external Community customs transport.
Double Dutch all that Hard top will have to get you to explain lol
You will be paying import duties as will other countries importing goods from the UK.
What's interest about us "leaving" is that the 2015 EU Referendum Act is not legally binding. Us leaving Europe is not a "done deal". In fact there are various ways it can go from here - and all of them rely on your duly elected government & parliament.
The government could put the matter through Parliament and it could be voted out depending on how individual MP's vote..
There is also a chance that they re-negotiate a different deal with Europe, and then put it to another referendum.
Finally the government could simply choose to ignore it.
Oh, and it will take years to actually get out should the Government decide to invoke the legal process (Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty). A long uncertain road ahead.
The government could put the matter through Parliament and it could be voted out depending on how individual MP's vote..
There is also a chance that they re-negotiate a different deal with Europe, and then put it to another referendum.
Finally the government could simply choose to ignore it.
Oh, and it will take years to actually get out should the Government decide to invoke the legal process (Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty). A long uncertain road ahead.
If it puts anyones minds at rest...
There seems to be a lot ofmisunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:
You re not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.
You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.
You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.
You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).
You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.
You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).
The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.
Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.
Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.
You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.
You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.
You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!
What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive...
There seems to be a lot ofmisunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:
You re not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.
You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.
You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.
You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).
You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.
You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).
The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.
Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.
Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.
You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.
You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.
You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!
What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive...
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Thank you for that precis,very useful and factual.
We're f***ed.
Europe will feel the pain too, its a terrible day for the UK and the EU
Europe will feel the pain too, its a terrible day for the UK and the EU
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No one knows what the future now holds for us. So no one can actually say whether we are or are not f_cked. We will only find that out in time
As I said to a guy at work, David Cameron can't loose, if it goes tits up he can say I told you so, if it turns out good he can say I gave you all this opportunity!
Tony.
Tony.