Another MOT question

[Pond]

f the rules and laws are open to interpretation then the onus is on the govt/DVSA/whoever to clarify them so that there can be no vaguity. You're not going to get points or a fine for breaking a law that is not explicitly documented.

You test it then let us know. I wouldn't bet on anything when it comes to the Police or the law TBH.
I would be interested to know what the PNC details would come up as in the above scenario. I would expect that to say a car either has or hasn't got a valid current MOT. I can't imagine it going into details of "this car failed it's last MOT but it's OK because the one before is still valid".

 

[Pingu]

I would be interested to know what the PNC details would come up as in the above scenario.

It certainly used to say that it still had one. You can check by looking online. PNC and the https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status data are from the same source, I believe.

This is what I was trying to explain earlier. You will pass an ANPR check, but a full check of the https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history will reveal the truth. If you haven't repaired the faults, you will have to explain yourself.

 

[John_B]

You test it then let us know. I wouldn't bet on anything when it comes to the Police or the law TBH.
I would be interested to know what the PNC details would come up as in the above scenario. I would expect that to say a car either has or hasn't got a valid current MOT. I can't imagine it going into details of "this car failed it's last MOT but it's OK because the one before is still valid".

I can tell you with absolute certainty that the govt vehicle enquiry website (source: DVLA) will show the MOT is still valid, because that is the exact scenario I was in when I bought my first Z3 - having failed an MOT but still had 2 weeks left on the previous. I did a lot of research into this before I bought the car, looking into what I could or couldn't do.

According to this website the vehicle details available on the PNC are a copy of what is on the DVLA database, in which case that would have shown a valid MOT too.

 

[bombur]

Mine said it was still valid after a fail. I tested if at earliest possible time, 28days early? And it failed but when I checked online it said it still had a MOT

 

[Stevo7682]

We'll this thread has certainly diversed a bit since i read it last night .

So as ton of stuff been through i will say a couple of things.

If your car fails an official Mot test at any point be that a week , a month or even 6 months from expiry it will be recorded on the Mot database.
The original Mot will always show valid until expiry date as it cannot be revoked once issued ( there is ways official bodies can deal if needs but let's not diverse) so original Mot will show valid till expiry but the fail is logged
The offence if defects not rectified would be to drive a motor vehicle on a public road in an unroadworthy condition ( the mot being official minimum roadworthy standard) .

There is also a lot of talk about buying a car hundreds of miles away and driving back with no mot having booked somewhere local .
Got to say enormous risk .
If car involved in an accident or anything like that and insurance gets involved things could get messy very quickly.
A lot of talk around the rules of booking and driving to book ( again especially if miles away)
The mot is only one Part of a Section of the road traffic act a million and one other things you could be doing wrong which are nothing to do with the Mot scheme itself.

Stephen.

 

[t-tony]

Regarding, a pass can't be revoked, while strictly true, it can be amended.
My late father in law talked about the Ministry guys issuing a "GV-9" at roadside inspections to unroadworthy heavy goods vehicles even though they carried a current MOT certificate. This meant that if a fault could not be rectified at the roadside (lay by) the vehicle had to be recovered to a place of repair, then re-tested afterwards. Don't be surprised that they could do the same with a car.

Tony.

 

[Stevo7682]

A traffic trained officer can issue a prohibition on a vehicle ( effective either immediately or within a time window eg comes into effect 1 hour after prohibition issued )
Can only be lifted with an mot test.
Now I've been testing nearly 30yrs now and i have only ever seen 2 cars with prohibition on them out of thousands of mot tests.
Stephen.

 

[t-tony]

Which only goes to show there aren't enough trained traffic officers out there doing safety work. It's just too easy to sit behind a camera isn't it?
The Police used to issues "producers" where if they pulled you for a light out, say, and you had to get it cleared at a testing station. But they don't even do these anymore.

Tony.

 

[Duncodin]

Driver is always responsible for ensuring the car is roadworthy at all times even with a valid mot.

I'm not asking if I'm allowed to drive an unroadworthy car. That is obviously No.

I'm asking if I can have an early test to get a list of fail points to add to my snag list that I can work on over the summer at my leisure without affecting my usual september expiry date that I'd like to keep for future years because it's not slap bang in the middle of roadster driving season.

Or something like that..

 

[Stevo7682]

Yeah Tony agreed got to admit don't see a lot vehicle defects forms done one a few months ago first seen in ages.
Stephen.

 

[Stevo7682]

Driver is always responsible for ensuring the car is roadworthy at all times even with a valid mot.

I'm not asking if I'm allowed to drive an unroadworthy car. That is obviously No.

I'm asking if I can have an early test to get a list of fail points to add to my snag list that I can work on over the summer at my leisure without affecting my usual september expiry date that I'd like to keep for future years because it's not slap bang in the middle of roadster driving season.

Or something like that..

Are you keep driving between the early test and September test.
If so defects would need fixed to continue driving.
Here's a spanner in the works.
What if you tested it early and it passed .
Stephen.

 

[t-tony]

If you're happy to "Throw away" 3 months of an MOT it doesn't matter. That way you move your MOT date to where you want it. No rule against that. Alternatively you could get what some people call a Pre-MOT done, ie an MOT without logging it on the system but tested to the same standard. I used to do this a lot.

Tony.

 

[Pond]

Driver is always responsible for ensuring the car is roadworthy at all times even with a valid mot.

I'm not asking if I'm allowed to drive an unroadworthy car. That is obviously No.

I'm asking if I can have an early test to get a list of fail points to add to my snag list that I can work on over the summer at my leisure without affecting my usual september expiry date that I'd like to keep for future years because it's not slap bang in the middle of roadster driving season.

Or something like that..

The irony with all this (MOT specifics aside) is that your car is still registered as a Z3 at present (I presume) but doesn't look like a Z3 anymore.
So irrespective of the validity of your MOT you could get 'pulled' by plod if they do a check because they won't see a Z3, they will see something else that they won't recognise so will maybe want to 'investigate'. If they want to be difficult there will be much more pain than the validity (or not) of your MOT.

So, if you are happy to drive around in a Z3, which is no longer a Z3 to anyone's eyes, then surely the finer points of your MOT status is the least of your worries?

 

[Duncodin]

Are you keep driving between the early test and September test.
If so defects would need fixed to continue driving.
Here's a spanner in the works.
What if you tested it early and it passed .
Stephen.

I'm in the middle of a rebody so I'm not going anywhere in it - but, truth be told, I do nip up and down the road over speed bumps etc to make sure body panels sit snug etc. But officially no. Not driving. Of course any defects would be fixed.

It probably would pass. But easy to make sure it doesn't.

But all this is just hypothetical. I was curious about the law.

 

[Duncodin]

The irony with all this (MOT specifics aside) is that your car is still registered as a Z3 at present (I presume) but doesn't look like a Z3 anymore.
So irrespective of the validity of your MOT you could get 'pulled' by plod if they do a check because they won't see a Z3, they will see something else that they won't recognise so will maybe want to 'investigate'. If they want to be difficult there will be much more pain than the validity (or not) of your MOT.

So, if you are happy to drive around in a Z3, which is no longer a Z3 to anyone's eyes, then surely the finer points of your MOT status is the least of your worries?

Maybe cause for a different thread. "When does a body kit make it a different car".

If a fiesta has every spoiler, scoop and wheel arch body kit it would look like a child's drawing but it would still be a fiesta.

Porsche 924 with a simple wheel arch mod looks like a 944. A totally different model. The owner wouldn't re-register it with some made-up-name.

Yes. It's a Z3. The chassis number says it's a Z3. I even fancy the idea of sticking a Z3 badge on the back so people know what it is.

So, the question is. Is there a law that that says there's a point at which a vehicle is no longer what it says in the V5? Could an over zealous cop take the car off the road because he doesn't think it's the same car any more?

I'm retired and bored - and argumentative. Once I've done all the unnecessary modifications to the body kit then I'll have nothing to do. Maybe I'll spend my afternoons driving past the police station to see if I can get 'invited in to discuss it'.

 

[Pingu]

Going O/T on the DVLA renaming thing...

You don't have to change it if you rebody, but you can change it to anything that DVLA agrees to.

Once the V5C has been changed, the MOT tester can rename it on the MOT database.

You do have to inform DVLA if you change the colour of the "body". You can guess why "body" is in quotes , and if you have a spare week or two to discuss whether a wrap is a change of colour - crack on .

 

[Pond]

So, the question is. Is there a law that that says there's a point at which a vehicle is no longer what it says in the V5?

Good question. There probably is a 200 page 'guidance' somewhere within the rules of the DVLA, VOSA, DoT or whoever.

I presume as rebodies don't need an IVA, the management will presume it is still a Z3. I was under the impression the reason for re-naming them with the DVLA was to avoid confusion for plod, MOT testers, insurance, tax etc and to make the owner's life potentially easier.

 

[Duncodin]

. . .
. . . avoid confusion for plod, insurance, tax etc and to make the owner's life potentially easier.

I can imagine you driving your car with horse badges could cause you to be pulled over a lot. If you don't do something to your V5 you're looking like a stolen car with stolen plates.

I, on the other hand, am in a grey BMW with BMW badges. I bet police don't bother looking at model numbers/names otherwise they'd be pulling every boy racer with an 'illegal' turbo sticker.

 

[Pond]

I can imagine you driving your car

That's more than I can at the moment!

 

[Duncodin]

That's more than I can at the moment!

Oh. I forgot you haven't got to the "Body on the car" stage yet. Sorry.

If you were next door I'd come and help you lift it on.

You said your missus isn't too keen on the part of your project that involves Lift it On, Lift it Off, Lift it On etc. Maybe you need to take her out for dinner or buy her something nice and just get that body on. Things will look much better if you see wheels under your new bodywork.