if replacing a steering wheel with an after market one dose it have to have an air bag fitted because the original steering wheel had one, and if a wheel with out an air bag was fitted would it fail the MOT.
Air bag
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Its not the no air bag fitted that would fail the mot it would be if the air bag warning light was staying on
So take the bulb out problem solved.
the wording in the MOT manual for the airbag itself states:
5.4 Supplementary Restraint Systems (SRS)
Method of Inspection:
As far as practicable, check that all airbags fitted as original equipment are present and not obviously defective
(note that the word 'all' is in bold)
Reason for Rejection:
An airbag obviously missing or defective.Note: A passenger airbag that has been switched off is not a Reason for Rejection.
I would say it's a fail on that basis, as an airbag is no longer present. So the best bet is to keep the old one for the MOT.
But I am sure there are some MOT stations that would view differently.
5.4 Supplementary Restraint Systems (SRS)
Method of Inspection:
As far as practicable, check that all airbags fitted as original equipment are present and not obviously defective
(note that the word 'all' is in bold)
Reason for Rejection:
An airbag obviously missing or defective.Note: A passenger airbag that has been switched off is not a Reason for Rejection.
I would say it's a fail on that basis, as an airbag is no longer present. So the best bet is to keep the old one for the MOT.
But I am sure there are some MOT stations that would view differently.
there are two bulbs, with a tell-tale one behind the original to stop you doing that, besides the bulb should be seen to light and then extinguish to pass the test. That proves the bulb is OK and will show a subsequent malfunction.
I'm putting a replacement SRS module into my 2.2 project at the moment. It needs to be recoded as it came from a car with side air bags. It can't find the side airbags so it lights up the symbol even though there is nothing wrong as such. So I have to code out those parts in the module.
In fact I'm going to have a practice on NCS Expert up here in Swansea on the 1.9 project as I've not used NCS Expert before. I want to pull the config file and look it over to see what flags I need to change. Then it gets written back.
Now technically what you might be able to do is code out the steering wheel airbag. But since that might be seen to be acquiring an MOT fraudulently I can't possibly condone that
In fact I'm going to have a practice on NCS Expert up here in Swansea on the 1.9 project as I've not used NCS Expert before. I want to pull the config file and look it over to see what flags I need to change. Then it gets written back.
Now technically what you might be able to do is code out the steering wheel airbag. But since that might be seen to be acquiring an MOT fraudulently I can't possibly condone that
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Connect the air bag light to the oil warning light?? will come on and go off then 
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Just put the normal wheel back on for the mot?
But then it wouldn't follow the self test which it has to do when you turn on the ignition. In this day and age I can't for the life of me understand why someone would want to remove a potential life saving device from their car anyway!I'm putting a replacement SRS module into my 2.2 project at the moment. It needs to be recoded as it came from a car with side air bags. It can't find the side airbags so it lights up the symbol even though there is nothing wrong as such. So I have to code out those parts in the module.
In fact I'm going to have a practice on NCS Expert up here in Swansea on the 1.9 project as I've not used NCS Expert before. I want to pull the config file and look it over to see what flags I need to change. Then it gets written back.
Now technically what you might be able to do is code out the steering wheel airbag. But since that might be seen to be acquiring an MOT fraudulently I can't possibly condone that
Tony.
Well I agree @t-tony. I certainly wouldn't want to remove it.But then it wouldn't follow the self test which it has to do when you turn on the ignition. In this day and age I can't for the life of me understand why someone would want to remove a potential life saving device from their car anyway!
Tony.
But I'm not sure what you mean it wouldn't follow the self-test. If you code out the driver air bag it stops looking for it. It shouldn't affect anything else.
You can't remove an airbag from a car that was built with one, same as ABS.
Tony.
Tony.
I agree you shouldn't do it. I certainly think it would be possible with optional side bags but quite possibly even if you tried to code out the main driver's airbag it might reset your change for safety reasons.
Having experimented on the 1.9 with NCS expert I now think I have the hang of it enough to remove the side air bag settings for the 2.2 project. For avoidance of doubt that was built without side air bags and I'm trying to reuse an SRS module from a car that had side air bags. It looks straight-forward enough.
Hope you can get that unit to work on your car Rob, as you say optional ones are a different issue altogether.
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Z3 only came with a drivers airbag standard and seat belt pre tensioners all other bags are options
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Sorry Tony something you said that I'd like to pick up on if thats ok.
Abs can be removed as long as the whole system removed the only thing allowed to stay is sensor rings as they are usually integrated into other parts ( eg driveshafts brake discs etc )
Abs can be removed as long as the whole system removed the only thing allowed to stay is sensor rings as they are usually integrated into other parts ( eg driveshafts brake discs etc )
Yep, hoping I can sneak in a very quick session on the 2.2 project tomorrow night, after getting back from Swansea and before going on holiday Thursday morning. But it will be the first thing to go if the packing for holiday is behind schedule.
I reckon I stand an even chance of getting the SRS error sorted quickly after practising today. But I still have the misfire to deal with which I have a sneaky feeling is the MAF. If so that's easy to deal with. That just leaves the rear offside wheel sensor to rub better as I don't have a spare. Then I'll leave the car with the MOT garage while we're away!
Yes it can but people usually try just removing the pump and re piping, again why would you ? If the ABS light doesn't follow its correct sequence it fails, so you would have to remove it too.
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I would have to totally agree with you Tony as to why you would want to remove any passive or active safety device as it could save your life.
On most modern cars abs removal probably not really feasible.
As finding proper non abs parts would be impossible.
But on something older say like a mk4 astra it could be done as they came with abs and non abs variants
I am thinking of removing my brake pedal altogether as its easier to stretch my legs.
its not like its important.. just the nanny state 'trying to save my life'...
its not like its important.. just the nanny state 'trying to save my life'...