Three things

TaffZee said:
Shows you are all getting old=))

Worse is overtaking lane hoggers, now that really pisses me off, I had one yesterday 4 x 4 (as I do nearly every day) in the outside lane of a dual carriage way doing 60mph 2 miles up the road the road splits to single carriageway with the right lane becoming one road and the left lane becoming a second, this numpty because he wanted to take the right lane stayed in the right lane holding traffic up, for over two miles before it, and when I undertook him (I wanted the left lane) flashed his lights at me Grrrr:mad:.
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My point is that the overall amount of light that cars are running around with these days is getting ridiculous. Not particularly dazzled by fog lights. The issue is when you are driving down a dark country lane to meet a car with every light switched on, eyes of any age will struggle to contract/dilate in time to compensate. It's not an age thing, and my glasses have an anti glare coating.

I'm not so bothered by DRL's specifically, but the overuse of LEDs in general by manufacturers; or people turning their cars in to the Coca Cola lorry (wiring them permanently on). They aren't the ones having issues seeing the road ahead, but it will be me crashing in to them when I can't make them out behind the glare.

While I'm on it. Cyclists have now taken to using flashing LED lights at night. Awesome, I can at least see them now. The negative is the strobe effect of a ten trillion candle watt LED badly adjusted means I can't see exactly where they are.

So, feel free to disagree but I think we are leaning on the same fence post here.
 
My gripe is with drivers of 4x4's and some Transit size vans whose lights are level with my eyes when I'm in the Zed.
 
Nothing at all wrong with DRL's used in daylight and IF they're wired correctly (legally even) they will either dim or extinguish when dipped headlights are turned on. As to whether running front fogs will dazzle or not (and I agree they won't or they'll be useless in fog) it is against the law.

Tony.
 
You tell me Pete, I don't understand that either, or the front DRL,s which turn orange and flash as indicators, personally I don't like those but really no different than a red tail light flashing as a turn signal in the US.

Tony.

ps. The front fog light thing was brought in a few years ago at the time the "tailgating" offence was.
 
I'm with you on this, I hate going out at night in my daily drive as I live in the country side and I'm constantly getting blinded to the pint that I have to brake.
 
Agree with sentiment that fog lights both front and rear should only be used when visibility is very poor. Front ones are actually useless because they illuminate a few feet in front of the car and can only be used when headlights are on. When you really really need fog lights you're still blinded by your own headlights not that I recall a situation in the last fifteen years where front fog lights were necessary.
Old proper fog lights gave you a flat wide beam for illuminating the road below the fog and a spot that picked out the near side. That was useful. You could use them without headlights.

Rear fog lights - useful and used on open country roads etc when visibility is below 100m only when there is nobody behind you. When there is somebody behind you they can see you already. I don't understand how people think you can benefit by being blinded. Again, we rarely get conditions when they are really needed.
It really p*sses me off when you get behind someone using rear fog lights on an unlit motorway on a dark rainy night. Spotting brake lights is much harder. It's not big and it's not clever! :mad:

Keeping your foot on the brake - I was taught and have always kept my foot on the brake until the car behind has also stopped then release the brake. By that time I've usually got the handbrake on anyway and have never ridden the clutch for more than a few seconds - never had a clutch go on me. But, I find these electronically operated hand brakes brakes frustrating - you get zero feedback especially when pulling away. It's much simpler to just use the foot brake and the delay is frustrating. I think they were invented by clutch and brake lining manufacturers. Anybody ever used the hill start capability on these? I've never ever had any experience of it working.

@hard top - why is using N on an auto box bad for it? I would have thought in D your always putting energy into the transmission fluid.

Cars without lights - frequently silver coloured cars - perfect camouflage when it's foggy! These cars are driven by future Darwin Award candidates. They are generally completely oblivious of what is happening around them and have no sense of self preservation. Sadly, it's these idiots who appear from your right as you pull out of a junction :mad:
 
I always suspected that Santa has a secret contract with Audi, promoting Xmas decorations whole year long...
 
katkwak said:
its ok guys ive just shot rudolph the red nose reindeer
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It's not his red nose that's the problem though Pete, it's his bright shiny red arse!!=))

Tony.
 
Mine's an auto and I just keep my hoof on the brake during the crawl out of town in an evening, not really possible to keep selecting N every time the traffic stops because as soon as you do your moving again. Plus the added bonus that I have some of my stop light LED's blanked by my Roadster sticker, sorry DECAL !! Also it's not as though it's high enough to be "in your eyes".

Tony.
 
EnthuZiaZT said:
We don't really have thick enough fog to warrant using the rear fog light, I rarely use mine, when I do I am carefull to switch it off as soon as I get in traffic. When I started driving cars were not equipped with them, we seemed to have many more foggy days and nights then, sometimes the fog was so thick you had to drive with your head out of the side window so you could see the white lines in the middle of the road.

Mike
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Mike, I wonder how other forum members would finish your statement: "When I started driving cars ........"
 
gookah said:
Not that I use them,
but I do not know how anyone can complain about front fog lights? other than "omg its against the law." "only me" Harry Enfield springs to mind,
get over it, get a life, or write in to points of view, all you old saddo's.... =))

They are designed with a low cut off beam to light up the kerb and white lines in the middle of the road, and as anyone knows that has driven in fog, is that the worst thing you can have is a light shining high up, which then reflects back at the driver. So how can they possibly dazzle oncoming or vehicles in front?

Now they may dazzle from a wet road which technically if its chucking it down could be construed as reduced visibility on the heaviest of downpours, so is that legal then??

I hear no one complaining of DRLs which are brighter than front fog lights. or even the new specification that seems to allow new cars to use one foglight when turning. If they dazzle why is this then allowed? and where are all your complaints about them? well? come on then moaners? :poke:


4 lights are brighter than two, which I appreciate that all you old gits with failing and sensitive eyesight will complain that it dazzles.

My dad used to put a sunvisor flap down at night for oncoming lights and wear night driving glasses, maybe time is telling you that your old failing eyesight is now so bad that you should give up driving on the roads because you cant handle a couple of lights in your view....front, rear, brake or whatever.


If you really have to complain, go on about the middle lane hoggers that congest motorways, and make our taxes pay for the hard shoulder to be modified so at least there are two lanes on the inside that we can get past them on, or the people at traffic lights that if you are six cars back by the time you get to move the lights have gone red again and you just end up moving forward filling up the gap left by everyone who thinks oh I will now prepare to go now that the car in front has moved 20 yards further forward, :bashhead:

OMG.. I am starting to sound like you lot.....

So now I just sit back and await replies..... wheres my popcorn? :popcorn:
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Are you the only sane one here? Fog lights do exactly what they're supposed to do. If they blind you, then they are not proper fog lights. I've never heard of dimming your headlights in the respect of turning them off. One is supposed to dim high beams because of oncoming traffic or when closer that 300 yards to the car in front of you. Rear fog lights? Never even heard of them or seen them until mentioned here.
As far as taking your foot off the brake when stopped, no one does that here. I was absolutely shocked by the absence of cars that have automatic transmissions in the UK. They are so scarce. I had to pay almost triple to get an automatic the first time I rented a car in the UK. Most of the family cars in the US are automatic. There are laws against freewheeling or driving with your car in neutral while it is in motion. I could never understand this myself.
As far as brake lights being too bright, whose fault if that? No one ever complained about such a thing before leds were used for brake lights. Once the technology was developed to produce a bright led, they started using them for brake lights. No one gave much thought to the fact that they might be too bright. Many of them are. The guy driving doesn't know his brake lights are too bright because he's never seen them.
 
GazHyde said:
  1. Fog lights are for when it's foggy enough to require using them. If you use them at any other time you are stupid. Really stupid.
  2. Dip your main beam before you approach another car. Also wait till you have passed them before you put them back on again. It's not difficult. Really, it's not.
  3. Audi Titties have stupid bright brake LEDs and it doesn't help the third brake LEDs span the whole boot lid. Absolutely ridiculous trying to follow one down a dark country lane. Bordering on dangerous.
'nuff said. I'd change my name to Grumpy, but someone already has it :mad:
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Hmmmm sounds like you had a bad day Gary,:rolleyes: watch that blood pressure mate:D
 
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