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this junction is so dangerous

Discussion in 'General Banter' started by stevie_a, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. stevie_a

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    OK when i drive home every night i get to a roundabout and watch or even have been involved in near misses

    It sounds simple but this junction is so dangerous

    Question 1.

    You are coming down road A and you are going to road B

    What lane should you be in on road A ?


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    Half way up road B ( about 100 yards) the road comes to another roundabout

    with the right hand lane being a turn right only

    Question 2.

    what lane do you enter road B?

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  2. HornelZ3M

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    You should be in the middle lane for road B as lane 1 would be going left and lane 3 going right around the roundabout, but there are alot of people who cant use roundabouts properly, so its not the junction thats dangerous it the fools in the cars ;)
     
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    Junction A
    Position car in lane 2 of junction A
    Enter roundabout, moving to lane 2 with right indicator on
    Cancel indicator when passing first junction, continue in lane 2
    Adjacent to 2nd junction, indicate left and move to left lane if possible. Be prepared to stay in lane 2 and possibly go around again (indicating right if required to go around again).

    Junction B
    If in lane 1, join dual carriageway in lane 1.
    If still in lane 2, join dual carriageway in lane 2, taking care to give way to vehicles on your left, confirming that they are going left as well. If you hit them, it is your fault as you will have changed lanes without care and attention.

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    If you are not already in lane 1, indicate left and move to lane 1.
    If you are unable to move to lane 1, indicate right and go around the roundabout and exit it at the required junction.

    This roundabout is slightly confusing as the arrows do not agree with the road layout.
    There should be a left arrow, as the straight arrow is supposed to indicate the 2nd exit, regardless of road layout.
    IMO, the lane 1 is for exits 1 and 2, the lane 2 is for exits 3 and 4.
     
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    I only see 2 lanes and a pavement on the top photo.
     
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    So which way do you do it?

    If you are exiting right on the roundabout then you should be in the right hand lane.
    I hate people who use the left hand lane and carry on past the left or straight-on exit.. happens all the time in Roundabout Land of Telford
    You wouldn't select the right hand lane for the first exit, so why do people do the reverse?
     
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    Also people cutting the lanes forcing you into other cars or have to hit the brakes annoys me. They aren't straightabouts :)
     
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    Yes I know that one too.... grrrrr
    But the M has a nice sounding twin tone horn.... :D
     
  8. stevie_a

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    I was in right hand lane on road A indicating right, crossed over onto roundabout keeping right, indicator left after the 12 o'clock

    took right lane of road B kept indicator on to show i was moving in to left lane car behind me in the left hand lane

    had exited road A from the left hand lane, drove round the roundabout in the left hand lane

    the point of the story was he started flashing his lights and sounding his horn at me for indicating in to the left hand lane

    at the set of lights he gets out and starts shouting to me that i was in the wrong lane

    ( i know i should not have ) but i also got out ( which i thing gave him a fright as i don't think he expected it)

    Anyway this stopped the traffic for a moment and him and the car behind him said I was in the wrong

    ( note the other car had also drove right round the outside of the roundabout)

    at this point i just got in the car and drove of wondering if I was wrong

    There are no road markings on the exit road now but there was and removed

    I am going to complain to the council to get it fixed, since it happened I have parked the car in Asda and watched

    you would not believe the amount of near misses that there was in the 30 minutes i watched.
     
  9. DangerousDave

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    Whenever I have to do a lane change after a turn I cancel my indicator and then indicate again. It helps other road users know that I have not just left my indicator on.

    I use my indicators to show what I intend to do, not what I am actually doing. If I cross a line I consider it my responsibility to ensure I have "permission".
     
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    He was wrong and you were right. Also if you are clearly indicating, there is space and it is safe to do so the he should have the courtesy to allow you to join his lane. he doesn't own it. If you didn't indicate and swung into his lane causing him to take avoiding action then that's a different matter, that also happens way too much. People who are so lazy that they can't extend their fingers on to the stalk of the indicator and push it should also have to retake their test. Changing lanes or anything that requires you to indicate your intentions should be done, it's for the benefit of pedestrians and other road users alike, you may not have seen someone else but if you are making your intentions clear then they can be prepared for you to do what you are indicating you will do.

    2am on an empty dual carriageway and I will still indicate to change lanes and pass trucks, many don't bother in the daytime on 3 lanes, seen too many times cars in lane 1 moving to lane 2 and a car from lane 3 moving to lane 2, neither indicating and meet in the middle.

    If the traffic is free flowing then he shouldn't be undertaking you until you are at the junction on the second roundabout coming to a halt and your intentions are made clear. If he had been in the correct lane then he would have been behind you and also moving over to lane 1 for the next roundabout.

    I think the driving test in the uk is too soft. Here in Brasil you have to have psychological tests, 3 or 4 weeks classroom training before you even get in a car. Then it's another 4 or 5 weeks in car training on a closed test road before being allowed on the roads and then exam.
     
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    I take it that you are driving over there with your British driving licence then........ ;)
     
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    Hahahahaja, funny! Actually no :p :D I have a Brazilian license ;)
     
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    Every day I see someone do exactly what you did. Indicate left to exit a roundabout into lane 2 of a dual carriageway and not cancel their indicator. Most have just not cancelled and continue in lane 2, but some do move into lane 1.

    If you were the other driver, what would you think you were going to do?
     
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    I missed the not cancelling the first indication. I would normally cancel the signal and then start the signal for the second manoeuvre also.

    To be fair to some drivers, I drove a Peugeot a few years back and the mechanism that controls the indicator cancellation when turning was appalling, having got used the the BMW ones for so many years and they seem to cancel and operate at all the correct times. this one would turn off with a slight movement left when going round a roundabout, in fact any slight correction of direction would cancel the damn thing and I spent most of my time trying to hang on to it to make it do what t should do. When I wanted it to cancel it would stay on.
     
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    Always been a hilarious bit of road for people who think they know what they are doing, even years ago before all the houses were built choice of lane was always an issue. The various roundabouts do add to the confusion, there is not much real world advice on how to negotiate them. The high way code only goes so far and the more exits the more complicated it gets. You can only do your best and try to avoid them , other drivers.
    I would and have negotiated the roundabout the way you did, but they are out there.

    Mind you you are probably safer driving round the round about rather than sitting in that car park going by this

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-17675831