Speedo issues

TrevD66

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Hi all, can anyone offer so thoughts or suggestions on an issue that appeared this afternoon.
I was driving a5 about 80km/hr and all of a sudden, the needle on the Speedo dropped to 0.... watching it and it slowly rose to about 60 (on the gauge.... cruise locked in at 80km), then dropped to nothing. Next set of lights I stopped and restarted the car and took off..... same again.
A couple of hours later coming home and now issues....
Got me b*******....
Any thoughts please?
 

Sean d

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Is it just the speedo as its quite a common fault for them all to drop out every now and again, might be worth removing the pod and checking the connector
 

Sean d

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Thanks @Sean d .... most disconcerting when it happened. I’ll have a look at it next weekend. Will INPA show it up as an error?
@mrscalex might be able to answer that as he uses INPA, my old 2.0l used to do it every now and again, but it was all dials, just go dead but would work again on restart
 

mrscalex

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Not sure if an error will get generated and if it did how much it would help. And I guess it depends what the cause is anyhow.

But I would certainly always stick INPA on it to check.

Never done a speedo fix before. But I would certainly check the connector as Sean says. It's easy to remove the cluster. If it's ever been out before it's possible someone didn't put the connectors back properly. They're a bit fiddly if you're not used to them.

If no luck there the speed sensor lives on the rear diff. You could check the connection there (pull it off and check for corrosion inside) and consider swapping the sensor which is only £30 from BMW. Can't say I've ever heard of it going wrong mind you. I'd probably only swap it as a last resort. But check the connector.

Somewhere in the middle will be some circuity managing the signal and sending it to the speedo head. That lives on the back of the instrument cluster. From the electrical diagrams it looks like there's a direct cable path between the sensor and instrument cluster. So I'd summarise possible issues I can think of as being:
  • Instrument cluster
    • Signal conversion circuity
    • Speedo head itself
    • Either way it's replacement cluster or repair by specialist. I'd prefer latter due to issues with syncing mileage back up.
  • Loom connector to instrument cluster
  • Speed sensor on diff
  • Loom connector to speed sensor
  • Physical wiring damage between diff and instrument cluster. The cabling runs inside the car until it comes through the rear bulkhead and is then feed down through the floor pan. So most exposed areas likely to get damaged are within boot or underside of car after leaving boot to diff.
I'm struggling to think where else a fault may lay. Not likely to be earth connection as that's shared by the rest of cluster and I presume that's all working.
 

TrevD66

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Thank you @mrscalex I'll work through your list of suggestions. I'll post anything I find that may be of use to someone else in the future.
If I cannot find anything, it may be a visit to a BMW qualified repair shop.
 

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I am having a similar issue with the rev counter - what I noticed in my case is that although the rev counter drops on the cluster then the ECU still reads the revs OK - I checked that with INPA / and DIS and you can see the revs on the computer no problem even though the cluster is dead, if you have something to read the ECU (safely, better if you get someone to help) while driving then that will help you determine what could be at fault more accurately.

What I think it's happening with mine - which could also be yours - is bad contact on the connector of the rear and saving that then the cluster / motherboard connects to the speedo needle motors with some pins and contact plates, those might be corroded/tarnished/dirty or maybe loose. the front and the rear separate on the cluster and you can see what I am talking about.
 

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I am having a similar issue with the rev counter - what I noticed in my case is that although the rev counter drops on the cluster then the ECU still reads the revs OK - I checked that with INPA / and DIS and you can see the revs on the computer no problem even though the cluster is dead, if you have something to read the ECU (safely, better if you get someone to help) while driving then that will help you determine what could be at fault more accurately.

What I think it's happening with mine - which could also be yours - is bad contact on the connector of the rear and saving that then the cluster / motherboard connects to the speedo needle motors with some pins and contact plates, those might be corroded/tarnished/dirty or maybe loose. the front and the rear separate on the cluster and you can see what I am talking about.
Very good point. INPA will tell you the road speed if you have it plugged in while driving - under the dash. And that would help pin down what end the issue is at.
 

TrevD66

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Thanks Gents for your input, I’ll investigate further over the weekend. I will try to run it with INPA connected and report back. Again, thank you for the information sharing.
 

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Thanks Gents for your input, I’ll investigate further over the weekend. I will try to run it with INPA connected and report back. Again, thank you for the information sharing.
Just wondering if you ever figured out the speedo problem. Mine has died. It was intermittent for a while, but seems permanent now. I cleaned the sensor and it didn't do anything. I did the cluster test and the speedo dial doesn't move.

Jasn
 

Mario

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Hello if anyone needs a replacement speedo y have one here I can let go cheap
 

TrevD66

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Hi @Jasn ..... I had my cluster out when I replaced the globes and reseated the connectors. Was ok for a while and a few weeks ago I had a repeat performance. Not only do I lose the speedo but the trip meter also stops operating. Stop the engine, restart it and everything goes back to normal. I would think 99% it’s ok.
Have now added a gps speedo so now a little less fussed.
 

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Hi @Jasn ..... I had my cluster out when I replaced the globes and reseated the connectors. Was ok for a while and a few weeks ago I had a repeat performance. Not only do I lose the speedo but the trip meter also stops operating. Stop the engine, restart it and everything goes back to normal. I would think 99% it’s ok.
Have now added a gps speedo so now a little less fussed.
OK, thanks. Looks like pulling the cluster out and checking for anything obvious with the wiring is the next step. Did you have to take the steering wheel off to get the cluster out or could you manoeuvre it over the top of it?
 

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Was able to manoeuvre it out without removing the steering wheel.... bit of a pain in the but to get out..... Have now done a couple of them now so not so bad to do now.
 

Jasn

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Was able to manoeuvre it out without removing the steering wheel.... bit of a pain in the but to get out..... Have now done a couple of them now so not so bad to do now.
Thanks @TrevD66 - I have been thinking of buying a heads-up display until I can fix the speedo. I do want to fix it though — don't like things not working. Good news I don't have to take the steering wheel off — I don't like messing around near the airbags.

Jasn
 

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You can get it off with the steering wheel in place but it is more awkard. Once it's free I managed to get it through the top of the steering wheel and not around the steering wheel but pretty sure I've done it both ways. You may spend longer doing this than just taking the wheel off, as long as the battery is disconnected the airbag won't go off. Although if you are not confortable doing this then the other option is the only way to go but can be done.
 

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You can get it off with the steering wheel in place but it is more awkard. Once it's free I managed to get it through the top of the steering wheel and not around the steering wheel but pretty sure I've done it both ways. You may spend longer doing this than just taking the wheel off, as long as the battery is disconnected the airbag won't go off. Although if you are not confortable doing this then the other option is the only way to go but can be done.
I'll have a think about it when the time comes. The Bentley manual suggests taking out the airbag before removing the steering wheel it think, but if I can leave that in and just take the wheel off I'd be happier.

Jasn
 
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