Smooth running values.

Zephyr

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So… I was very confused about my readings on the cylinder smooth running values and since I had no idea of what they are or what are the correct readings, I have been doing some digging.
this post by no means is considered by me to be correct, it is just what I have gathered from the internet and some books I found in the public library.
Here it goes.
the engine has to be warm and these figures make sense only in idle.
the closer they are to Zero the better they are.
differences between them should not be more than 10%.
My values were all over the place, from 1.25 up to 3.40.
so I started with a compression test.
all four cylinders were within spec with no deviations.
continued with an eye inspection and some carb cleaner spray on air hoses that lead me to false diagnosis, as when I finally grew a pair and removed the air manifold, I saw that the air hoses of the injectors were shot, so I replaced them.
the numbers then varied from 0.25 up to 1.20 and I was not satisfied.
swapped the ignition coil with a second hand one and had better results but still not consistent.
ordered a new coil (its an M43 and has one with four outlets) and installed that.
the values became higher (Probably from better spark) but were somehow in a closer range (1.25-1.00-1.35-1.20) but still over zero and surely not inder 1.0 that some of them were before.
so decided to change the spark plugs (photo of the old one attached)
went with BREQ laser cut and changed only one, in cylinder 3.
smooth runnin values of cylinder 3 dropped to 0 up to 0.25.
decided to swap also the injector in cylinder 3 and it took me 3 long hours to remove all the intake and the pressure lines.
installed a brand new injector from a set that a friend bought for his car (E46) and had a reading again.
0 to 0.01.
So definitely spark+injector=success.
Next steps, dismantle again everything during the holidays, clean the throttle body with carb cleaner, remove injectors and soak into injector cleaner and ultrasonic these mfkrs with the machine I bought (yessir tested it already with some rusty bolts and nuts).
I am in the process of making my own diy hose mechanism to pressure clean them after this (and will post a video) and finally install them back.
then I will post my readings (oh did I say that I also bought a new fuel filter).
Generally I am satisfied with what cylinder No3 is telling me so lets hope all this time spent is worth.
if the injectors do not appear to be in good shape (spray pattern etc) on my self made tester/cleaner diy, I will take them to a professional and if they are hopeless I will replace them.
but my goal is to fix these values myself and be proud of it.
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Cleaned the injectors changed sparkplugs but it did not go well.
had a misfire on 1 cleared it and now it idles like a tractor.
dismantling again….
 

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Solved it with a hammer.
the fuel rail with the injectors wasnt properly nested in the holes.
started tapping with a soft hammer, but in the end it needed a decent slam to get into place…

A day well spent. The engine is smooth as silk now. purrs like a kitten… tomorrow fuel filter change and this closes all preventative maintenance I had to do for this car.
next step, detailing…

cheers.
 

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Pleased to hear you got it sorted. :thumbsup:
Changing the fuel fllter and playing cars on Christmas Day, wow, not sure many of us on here would get away with that:oops:. Good luck;)
 

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She will be on duty. We have no children so she volunteered for tomorrow letting the colleagues who are parents to be with their families.
What a great thing to do.
My daughter is a nurse and she used to do it too.:thumbsup:
 

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Heads up: pay attention when you do this.
tested before I take it for a ride and it seems that I have lost the o-ring from inside this tube.
now I have a fuel leak and have to wait until the shops open tomorrow.
so once again I will have to dismantle everything to put this bloody round rubber inside.
although I am pretty sure that there wasnt one inside in the first place.
anyway, life goes on.
lets hope that after this I will stay out of maintenance and fiddling for a long time.
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Merry xmas.

Ok, I am asking on behalf of all the newbies and or people who simply just dont know - what are the "cylinder smooth running values" & how are they measured please?
I can understand all of what you have done and why etc, I understand compression testing etc, I just dont know the readings & where you found them.


Thanks
 
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Hi! Merry Christmas.
The smooth value is an indication of the consistency of providing crankshaft acceleration at idle for each cylinder.
If that effort was the same every camshaft revolution then the value would stay at ZERO (a completely dead cylinder will give a zero reading).
As cylinder combustion is never perfect you will get differing levels of effort being made for the same cylinder - the greater that difference the higher the smoothness value (a dodgy cylinder will give a higher reading than the others).
This with combination the readings of the injectors and the lambda, can show you 1 if you have a leak, 2 if you have bad injectors, 3 if you have a bad as in damaged cylinder.
Most scanners have this feature (mine is an i-carsoft Bmm v2 - bmw specific up to 2019) and guide you during troubleshooting.
The engine has to be warm (108 celsius front sensor and whatever over -40 celsius the rear that circulates the fluids) and these readings are valid only for idle speed.
I hope I make some sense…

in general smooth running values must be under 2 and consistent between them by 10% difference. Anything else, indicates an issue that has to be verified.
rough idle, idle knocks, hesitation on acceleration from low revs (for non vanos motors) and pops or backfires are symptoms.

most of the times before things become worse and an engine light flashes, issues with almost clogged but not dead injectors, deteriorated hoses, bad fuel filter and bad coils or spark plugs can be verified with this test.
 

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The first photo is a test I have done removing the plug from the injector in cylinder 3.
the rest of the values were all over the scale as the ecu was trying to rectify the issue (and popped an engine light).
the second is a photo before the final step (cleaning injectors and new spark).
now they all are 0.10 to 0.16 but I have no photo of this as I was so tired and wanted to wrap up the case.
unfortunately it still needs that bloody o-ring so we have to wait in order to see the final outcome.
 

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Btw this is the bloody oring. Better have a spare one before you decide to dismantle the fuel rail.
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Btw this is the bloody oring. Better have a spare one before you decide to dismantle the fuel rail. View attachment 244609
Thank you!! Absolutely amazing response - I actually understood it and everything!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Seriously, thank you, a very clear and concise explanation that worked perfectly!
 

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Ah, it makes much more sense now in that you have a proper garage etc. I was thinking someone doing this at home.... lol

But thanks for showing and explaining :)
 

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I cant for the life of me understand what is wrong with this engine.
the frustration is so big that I am thinking of swapping to an M54 and just get rid of this 4 pot stupid thing.
Changed the spark coil
Changed the spark plugs
Serviced the injectors (and replaced o rings)
Replaced all the bloody pipes
Idle valve reads fine
Maf reads fine (or so I understand from what I read in the internet)
Changed fuel filter
Cleaned throttle body
Cleaned the breather valve.
Compression is equal at all 4 cylinders.
smoke tested the effing thing and replaced all that leaked.
It works fine for a week and now it is back again in the previous state…
Works fine under load but when sitting in traffic I'll notice that the engine is shaking just so slightly.
Before you point at Motor mounts I tell you that are new and I do not see how this could affect the cylinders.
Is this an M43 “thing”?

i am ready to give up and start looking at M54 engines. This has taken a lot of my time and is starting to annoy me. I had three M52/M54 cars in the past, no problems whatsoever although they had high mileage (over 120.000k).
this piece of s… with 30k in the clock is giving me so much trouble.

the thing is that there is no consistent pattern on what it does. One day it works fine, the next day values are all over the range.
HELP.
 

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Can somebody with a scanner read his smooth running values and post them here so I can compare? Even a different engine, even a different car. This is beyond my logic to understand unless thats how them effing M4-xxx motors operate….

thanks.
 

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