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Should I Re-start From "scratch"?

Discussion in 'Summit Detailing' started by jonco, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. jonco

    jonco Zorg Guru (III)
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    IMG_0963.JPG Hi Chris,

    Well I don't actually have a scratch but plenty of large swirl marks. Until now I have used basic products (Turtle Wax Car Wash and Colour Restore and AutoGlym Polish) all applied by hand, and have probably made a lot of basic mistakes.
    I feel I need to get more serious with products and application but where do you suggest I start.
    The picture is my best achievement but it doesn't last long.
     
  2. bessieblue

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    Hi Jonco , im sure Badman will be along shortly to sort you out soon.
     
  3. Summit Detailing

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    Hi Jonco,
    The car looks nice & bright in your pic, no direct sunlight shot though which would show up the paint defects you've mentioned.
    So forgetting about polishes&waxes for a minute, a safe wash routine would be the best place to start, not knowing what you use at the moment I'll list everything :-
    - 2 buckets (£1 each in supermarkets) - 1 acts as the wash bucket with a ph neutral shampoo in, the other is the rinse bucket.
    - Lambswool washmitt, I favour the Dooka as it holds sooo much water & is double-sided.
    - Drying towel - waffle weave or deep pile microfibre.
    - PH neutral shampoo

    This DetailingWorld link is handy - http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4637

    As I'm sure you're aware there are literally thousands of products with the same amount again of product combinations, to make matters worse everyone will recommend something different.

    A good, easy place to start would be Autoglym Super Resin Polish followed up by Extra Gloss Protection.
    Alternatively, moving away from the high street -
    Zaino AIO followed by Z2
    or
    Autofinesse Tripple followed by either Powerseal or Tough Coat.

    Cheers

    Chris
     
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  4. jonco

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    Thanks for response and info Chris. Swirls are on the bonnet and need to be tackled first - I did not have a good enough photo to show them up. Will try when we get some sunshine!!
    The photo above was after AG Super Resin Polish but no extra protection. Wheels were also treated with AG products - convenient Halfords 3 for 2 offer:) - will try your recommendations though.
     
  5. Summit Detailing

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    Yes, you'll need to apply some protection over SRP as it doesn't offer much on it's own. You are basically using it's filling properties to hide some of the defects, then applying EGP over the top which offers the protection element & seals in the work of SRP.
     
  6. jonco

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    Washed the car and gave bonnet 2 coats of AG SRP today. See typical pics below significant improvement but I admit the changing angle of sunlight made it look far better than it was.What next -keep going ? How many coats before I get to bare metal ??

    Starting point after wash.

    afterwash (2).JPG

    After first Coat AG SRP

    After first coat (1).JPG

    After second coat AG SRP
    after 2nd coat (3).JPG
     
  7. badman gee

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    oooh look at those swirls :nailbiting:
     
  8. Summit Detailing

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    There's a definite improvement after the SRP but it can only do so much.
    The only way to remove the remaining defects are either by machine or if you have lots of spare time by hand.
    It would be a waste of product putting any more layers of SRP on as the combination of the fillers & it being ever so slightly abrasive will go some way to removing previous layer(s).

    It's fairly safe to say you won't see bare metal any time soon by using SRP;)
     
  9. jonco

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    Bessieblue said you be along Badman - I thought you would like them!;)
    So what do I do next - apart from not going in sunshine which has been easy this year!!!=))
    I've got the time or could buy a machine?
     
  10. GazHyde

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    Hope you don't mind me sticking my nose in, but when we visited Meguiars for the Zorg detailing day, we used myredzed 's hell red zed as the test bed. He won the award for swirliest Zed on the day, which is why they chose his car!

    Using the machine polisher, and the correct compound took very little time and effort at all to remove them (or greatly reduce them).

    Just thinking of your arms falling off through too much "wax on, wax off", unless you are practising to become the Karate Kid? ;)
     
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  11. badman gee

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    You need a machine sir.

    Perhaps a da?
     
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  12. jonco

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    Thanks Guys.
    Gary - I have read the Meguiars day write - up . Wanted to get there myself but just a bit too far in time I had available that week. Karate Kid days are well gone even though I now have plenty of time to practice.
     

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