Rolls Royce and Bentley, registration, help?

[Zephyr]

Can somebody please give any info (I know you have some sites that you can search) about two registration plates?
A Rolls carying DMJ308X and a Bentley with 1700 WD.
These two with UK plates popped for sale localy but seem to be still not imported or registered to Greece.
I wonder if they are de-registered or sorned in UK. (Or maybe still registered which would be really helpfull).
Thank you.

 

[bombur]

 

[Zephyr]

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[Zephyr]

Ok. Now I see them.
so, what does this tell us?
unpaid taxes since the last date?

 

[Zephyr]

so if somebody wants to bring them back to the UK, has to pay a fine?
or even worse, in order to register them to Greece you have to pay UK taxes, fines de-register and then import and register them here?
Could this be a shady - do not touch- case?

 

[Zephyr]

And the 1700 was a blue one… now I am more confused…

 

[bombur]

'Cars, motorbikes, vans and other light passenger vehicles that were either built or registered over 40 years ago are exempt from MOTs. This only holds true so long as no substantial changes have been made to the vehicle in question during the past 30 years.'

 

[Zephyr]

'Cars, motorbikes, vans and other light passenger vehicles that were either built or registered over 40 years ago are exempt from MOTs. This only holds true so long as no substantial changes have been made to the vehicle in question during the past 30 years.'

Thank you for this.
can we check if they are “de-registered” or somehow ”deleted”?
I know I can ask all these the seller, but would like to be prepared.
thank you once again.

 

[Toby]

Rolls is sorned, which means notified off road. Not being used in the UK.
No export marker, which means not officially moved abroad. Last log book issued ( V5 ) 2009

Bentley, registered as blue as you mentioned - not sorned, just showing no tax, also no export marker agaianst it. Log book last issued 2004

HTH

 

[Zephyr]

Thanks!
Looks like there is a lot of paperwork and probably other issues that need to be taken care.
I think I will pass...
Thanks again.

 

[Pond]

TBH the early '80s style of RRs are never going to be classics. Pug ugly and terrible build quality IIRC.
The burgundy Bentley on the other hand....hubba hubba.

 

[Zephyr]

TBH the early '80s style of RRs are never going to be classics. Pug ugly and terrible build quality IIRC.
The burgundy Bentley on the other hand....hubba hubba.

never were on my radar. I just inquired because they re dirt cheap.
but now I can figure out why…
too much trouble to get them registered.
and the Bentley is not even the original colour, so no interest.

 

[Dxbolton]

And they might have finance owing on them. Yes, people take out loans on cars this age!
Hpi.co.uk will reveal this for a fee

 

[Richard29]

Dmj308x was sorn

 

[Zephyr]

Ok. I get It. Everything screams stay away.
thanks lads.

 

[Synclare]

How cheap is dirt cheap? Both are very desirable and fetch big money, although the Camargue was the most expensive car in the world in the 70's, it's styling was very questionable. Maybe the owners retired to Greece and took the cars with them hence no reason to notify having been exported, especially if intending to return home. Money to be made selling them back in the UK.
Although market very depressed the 'big money' is still about.

 

[Zephyr]

IMHO 25ish for the Rolls is very cheap but a real pain to sort out the paperwork and pay import in two countries (one of them not EU any more).
The Bentley is a a very shady one. Reg says some strange things, it doesnt compute, colour, model, year, something very strange with this one. In the past one could just walk to the Reg Office declare Car and Model and get his plates. Not anymore. You now need proof of sale, import papers, road taxes, VAT, and a Club approval or worse a FIVA card for it to be legal. It has to fly through the process else you lose your money if anything is wrong. (Still price is low. Very low. Almost a steal).

 

[Synclare]

The Bentley, as 1700WD is a valuable reg N.o the chances are it has been transferred and now assigned to another vehicle, hence the disparity. The owner knowing it was going abroad didn't see the point having the replacement mark number plates put on as it would get a reg applicable to the destined country.
RR/B were always registered as 'two axle rigid body', never by model. This harks back to the early days when what you bought from RR was a rolling chassis with engine bulkhead, you then had it taken to a coach builder of your choice (Hooper, Freestone & Webb, Park Ward etc) for a body to be fitted.
Some years ago DVLA (the UK vehicle licence dept) started attaching model names to update things such as Silver Shadow etc. The earlier cars were left alone. The Bentley would, looking at the photo, appear to be Mulliner Park Ward which then became known as a Corniche for the later RR version. In either case as a fixed head you are looking at 40k GBP.

 

[Zephyr]

Ok. Now you made me want to go on Monday and try to sort this out.
For 40k I can spare a full week and even a trip to UK to sort this out. As long as there are papers to backup whatever story the is behind this, I think it will be an interesting search.

 

[Synclare]

The reason the mot has expired is because the chances are it has been classed 'historic' and now mot/road tax exempt.
What you need to do is (assuming the 1700WD reg got transferred before disappearing to sunnier climes) ascertain the replacement registration number. The owner would have been issued a new V5 registration document showing the replacement reg number - often as not the original number when new.
Use the chassis number and do a DVLA search using the chassis number instead of the reg number displayed - assuming DVLA let you search using chassis number.
Contact the RREC at the Hunt House in Paulerspury and give the chassis number, they can tell you if it is legit and matches the car. For a fee they can also give you a copy of the build sheets when originally made, that will probably be at Mulliner Park Ward as they were originally known, the name Corniche came later.
I can't see a valuable reg like that being lost and not bothered with. A 2 door coupe is valuable.
Of course it might just be a great big scam !!
Who says retirement is boring - oh, that would be me