#ZedShed Project Low Rider - BMW Z3 2.2i Sport

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New Zed Shed project kicked off today, with the arrival of @Low Rider's 2.2i Sport! :D

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I've been chatting with Steve by PM/email for the last month or so because he mentioned that his Zed wasn't particularly happy. The biggest issue was that the traction control was being over protective to the point at which he couldn't drive with it turned on. There are some other things he would like looked at, but for now the critical thing to investigate is the handling. His slot in the Zed Shed came up this weekend, so on to the progress today.

When we popped out for the obligatory breakfast I took Steve so he could get a sense for how a Z3 should handle - and that traction control shouldn't be as invasive as he is experiencing. The roads were saturated with water, so perfect for showing how far you can push a Z3 before the TC should step in. To be fair, I took it steadier than if I was on my own and I know Rosie could have handled a lot more aggro before the TC would kick in. I think Steve was a little surprised at how well they handle, even in the wet! Or he was scared. With my driving it could well be either :eek:

Initial inspection:
First off the drivers rear is showing some excessive camber, so much that it's visibly obvious. Steve says that the drivers rear swing arm had already been replaced, and this had actually reduced the camber. We popped her up on to axle stands, whipped off the arch liners and had a visual inspection.
  • Rear beam bushes, ARBs and drop links all perished and needing replacing.
  • Differential bush has failed completely. Rubber has started to de-laminate from the metal outer ring - and it collapsed completely with the slightest of twist from a screwdriver.
  • Shock absorbers. Yet again a set of factory original shocks, and can be compressed easily and do not rebound out again. Replacements required.
It's not all bad news under the back end as all the brake lines and the handbrake cables look to have been replaced recently, and the discs and pads are OK (we may give them coat of paint if we have time!).

Exhaust:
So with the inspection over it's pretty clear that the sub frame needs to come out. *sighs*. 2.2i exhausts suck.

Exactly the same issue as Rosie had where the nuts had corroded to the point that we couldn't shift them. Quick phone around and the local National garage said they would have a look. Quick drive out to pop it on the ramp, and the diagnosis was that removing the nuts and studs wouldn't leave much in the way of flange to be able to bolt it back up again. However what was suggested was a good idea, although they didn't have the parts to carry it out... Basically suggested cutting the pipe and then using a sleeve to rejoin it again. This would allow the rear section to be removed without compromising the original joint. The alternative would basically be a new exhaust system, so we didn't really want to go that route.

Back to the Zed Shed, and back up on the stands again and out with the angle grinder. Right pain in the seating area, due to the angle grinder disc not being quite big enough to cut through in one. 45 minutes of messing and the rear section is out leaving enough room for us to work.
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Sub-frame Removal
This seems to be the bread and butter of the Zed Shed, and the process is identical each time. I won't go in to the same detail again, but if anyone wants more information read back through this post.

We did have an interesting deviation from the process which we've not encountered. When undoing the 22mm nut underneath the passenger side beam bush, the main stud started unscrewing from the chassis. To counteract this we had to hold a "ruddy big spanner" on the stud, while removing the nut. What a pig to remove the nut, not worked so hard on one of these before.

Eventually, this happened! End of play for today as Lee needed to drop Steve off at the train station so he could get home.

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The rear beam, or something else...?
This rear beam is going to get some extra attention to make sure nothing is badly wrong with it, possibly being the cause of the increased camber. Once it's up on the bench it will be stripped as usual, but Lee will be giving it a thorough look over and checking measurements.

Our current suspicion is that the drivers rear had a heavy sidewards impact at some stage in it's history. There is some evidence on the rear wing of it being blown over with paint. Obviously there was some reason why Steve had to have new swing arm fitted (which improved the geometry to an extent).

There will be plenty of pictures and data once we decide which night this week we will be continuing.

For reference:
When I'm prattling on about components have a look at the thread below which has some useful graphics on what the rear subframe comprises of. should help you to understand the process a little better.

https://zroadster.org/threads/bmw-z3-rear-subframe-bushes.6736/
 

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Great read and top job as usual chaps.
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Interesting stuff, Its great to see how someone understands the important stuff, I will be following this thread with great interest, I do feel that my Zed rolls a bit too much.
 
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Its great to see how someone understands the important stuff
Well, I wouldn't go that far... This is the 9th car I've been involved with in the Zed Shed, and after a while it all starts to make sense how they go together and what effect each component has. We've even been unable to dispel some of the myths that get thrown around the internet about the Z3 as well. It's also a darn good laugh some days!

Oh, and Lee taught me a lot of it! ;)
 

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Well, I wouldn't go that far... This is the 9th car I've been involved with in the Zed Shed, and after a while it all starts to make sense how they go together and what effect each component has. We've even been unable to dispel some of the myths that get thrown around the internet about the Z3 as well. It's also a darn good laugh some days!

Oh, and Lee taught me a lot of it! ;)
I'm not sure what to address first Gaz, I think I will replace the springs and shocks and see how it handles from there, it seems to roll rather then over steer, in fact its a bit of a bi*** to get the arse end out safely, its still very new to me though and might just be a lack of power
 

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We had the same thing with @pgunter's Zed a couple of weeks back. It popped in to the shed and had new rear Boge shocks fitted. Lee test drove it before and after, and it was like night and day. Paul left very happy.

Obviously you may have other issues, so it's difficult to comment without seeing it!
 

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We had the same thing with @pgunter's Zed a couple of weeks back. It popped in to the shed and had new rear Boge shocks fitted. Lee test drove it before and after, and it was like night and day. Paul left very happy.

Obviously you may have other issues, so it's difficult to comment without seeing it!
It certainly feel like it need stiffening up, however I really don't want to lose what bit of comfort it has :)
 

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It certainly feel like it need stiffening up, however I really don't want to lose what bit of comfort it has :)
Then stick with OE quality parts and rubber bushes, it's what we fit mainly in the shed. No need for Polyeurethane that's for sure!
 

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Thanks to Gaz and Lee for today, really enjoyed breakfast and chatting about my Z3.
Seeing my car coming apart isn't good a bit like going to the dentist with painful tooth but once the filling ( bushes and struts ) has been repaired all will be good, if my Zed handles has good as Gaz's I will be well pleased.
I'm guessing I'll need bigger b**ls to push my Zed like Gaz does his but once to car handles better I'm sure I'll get more confident .
Much respect to Lee for his hard work under the car to remove the rear half of my exhaust.
 

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Then stick with OE quality parts and rubber bushes, it's what we fit mainly in the shed. No need for Polyeurethane that's for sure!
Cheers Gaz and sorry for hijacking the thread, I wouldn't entertain poly bushes, I used to rally years ago and know just how harsh they can be
 

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Thanks to Gaz and Lee for today, really enjoyed breakfast and chatting about my Z3.
Seeing my car coming apart isn't good a bit like going to the dentist with painful tooth but once the filling ( bushes and struts ) has been repaired all will be good, if my Zed handles has good as Gaz's I will be well pleased.
I'm guessing I'll need bigger b**ls to push my Zed like Gaz does his but once to car handles better I'm sure I'll get more confident .
Much respect to Lee for his hard work under the car to remove the rear half of my exhaust.
I'm looking forward to seeing the results as I will probably go down the same route and replace the lot in one go
 

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Very interesting to read and a great write up.
Let's hope it all turns out well after further investigation,fingers crossed.
I'm glad you and Lee know what you're doing....it all looks scary stuff to me:cool:.

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Thanks to Gaz and Lee for today, really enjoyed breakfast and chatting about my Z3.
Seeing my car coming apart isn't good a bit like going to the dentist with painful tooth but once the filling ( bushes and struts ) has been repaired all will be good, if my Zed handles has good as Gaz's I will be well pleased.
I'm guessing I'll need bigger b**ls to push my Zed like Gaz does his but once to car handles better I'm sure I'll get more confident .
Much respect to Lee for his hard work under the car to remove the rear half of my exhaust.
I know how you feel, it's almost a year to the day (9th Feb) I dropped mine off.
Lee took me to the station in his M and I couldn't believe how it could put down the power on a cold damp road when mine with 100bhp less would have been twitchy.
Seems like your bushes were as knackered as mine.
The thing is as it deteriorates over time you compensate and just think that's how it is. Mine was running way to much camber at the rear as it had sagged so much over time. Made for a twitchy car, certainly taught me about being sensitive with the throttle!

Once all refreshed the Z can be very confident. Mine with the BC Racing coilovers is very planted now and and in the dry reminds me of my hot hatch days. It's no longer terrifying in the wet which is a bonus!

It's quite unsettling seeing your subframe out in pieces, I felt a bit sick seeing the pics when mine was laid bare!
 

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@Low Rider she's in the best of hands. As for leaving happy, I still am... She's a different zed. Just need to look at the front after my insurance renewal as my current insurance company do not allow strut braces. So after my renewal, it will be going on.

Good work as per normal @GazHyde @Lee
 

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