NS rear LED indicator light

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Its working but it looks as though a couple of the LED's have given up working so is this an easy fix on a late 2009 E89?

One video which I briefly looked at gave me the impression that the indicator part is separate from the rest of the light unit so is that correct
 

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EDIT: Sorry RealOEM is saying its not a serviceable item soooo new rear light I believe so I was wrong I too have see videos saying a replacement is out there but doubt that now after looking on realoem, best check with BMW dealer?

Its the third brake light LED thats replaceable
 
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I am happy to buy a new one so the next question is, how difficult is it to remove and refit the light unit. There is a video out there taken from inside the boot and the guy removes various bits of metal which are something to do with the roof and then he shuts the boot and presumably part activates the roof to get at stuff but somehow I cant see that all of this is necessary so I will wait until someone comes along with some instruction
 

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I think it is, you need to remove the turret plastics to remove the rear plastics that hide the inside of the rear light, had a quick look at mine and I would say the video is spot on. Looks fairly straight forward to me though


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJa6z6e-a0
 

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I am concerned about the roof part opening bit
To be honest I think he only did that for better access, its very easy to smack your head on the boot lid I don't really see why you would need to, once the turret plastic is off with the boot open normally the rest can be done with the boot open in the traditional way too as far as I can see, however all you need to do is activate the roof so the lid reverse opens and release the button before the clamshell starts to retract, thats not an issue.
 

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New rear lights are circa £175 on line (new)
 

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Had another watch and a look at mine and when you open the boot lid to stow the roof it lifts the bar (arrowed in the photo) out of the way, I am assuming that is stopping access to the plastics.

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Try to take plenty of photos and do a how to for the forum if you can we need plenty on home repair info on e89s :thumbsup:
 

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I think that I will leave the engine running just in case it loses the sequence and something nasty happens
 

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If it's anything like the roof operation on Shirl's Eos, no, you can stop and start it mid operation.

Tony.
You can on the e89
 

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Thank you all for your help. Bit the bullet today and took off the various bits of plastic and trim. Some of this can be done with the roof closed but as Nodzed correctly pointed out there is a part of the mechanism which is really in the way of removing part of the trim. I guess that it would be possible to remove without moving the roof but I decided to give it a go but left the engine running just in case it had a wobbler. Once the boot is lifted then all of the trim comes out easily and the cluster is held in by just three nuts and studs. Disconnect the electrics and then simply ease the unit out of the bodywork. There is a complicated rubber gasket which is probably where some of the problems have arisen. This can be eased off the light unit and having done all of that I simply put it all back again but without the bits of trim.

New cluster and gasket ordered. Just for information a light cluster from the dealer was £196.43 inc VAT and a gasket £24.80 inc VAT. I have paid £129 for the cluster off Ebay and apparently its a Magneti item and so maybe an OEM here is the link

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fits-BMW...133125&hash=item4410c723ec:g:jZ4AAOSwVttbBWaA

I have ordered a new gasket from the dealer so all in all its costing around £154. During the trim removal a couple of the plastic clips broke so I contacted this outfit who have been amazing it sorting the correct items for me

https://www.vehicleclips.co.uk

They are very well priced but dont carry the items which I broke but suggested an alternative which I have ordered.

Now that I have done it I will take some photos of the removal process when the bits arrive
 

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Hey John, pleased you have got the problem sorted. When you post pictures title it “How to remove E89 rear light” that way it’s easy for others to find.

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Thank you all for your help. Bit the bullet today and took off the various bits of plastic and trim. Some of this can be done with the roof closed but as Nodzed correctly pointed out there is a part of the mechanism which is really in the way of removing part of the trim. I guess that it would be possible to remove without moving the roof but I decided to give it a go but left the engine running just in case it had a wobbler. Once the boot is lifted then all of the trim comes out easily and the cluster is held in by just three nuts and studs. Disconnect the electrics and then simply ease the unit out of the bodywork. There is a complicated rubber gasket which is probably where some of the problems have arisen. This can be eased off the light unit and having done all of that I simply put it all back again but without the bits of trim.

New cluster and gasket ordered. Just for information a light cluster from the dealer was £196.43 inc VAT and a gasket £24.80 inc VAT. I have paid £129 for the cluster off Ebay and apparently its a Magneti item and so maybe an OEM here is the link

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fits-BMW...133125&hash=item4410c723ec:g:jZ4AAOSwVttbBWaA

I have ordered a new gasket from the dealer so all in all its costing around £154. During the trim removal a couple of the plastic clips broke so I contacted this outfit who have been amazing it sorting the correct items for me

https://www.vehicleclips.co.uk

They are very well priced but dont carry the items which I broke but suggested an alternative which I have ordered.

Now that I have done it I will take some photos of the removal process when the bits arrive
Hi John, excellent mate glad it went OK so far, given the fragility of the rear lights due to the poor water outlet around the light I guess I will be doing this at some point :rolleyes:
I have read there is a rubber outlet around the light area that gets blocked?? may be worth you having a look and checking the water can flow out (if you haven't already) Good luck with the rebuild :thumbsup:
 

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Ok the new N/S rear lamp cluster is in place so here is a resume of the action to take it out and put a new one in place. This is the Youtube video which is listed elsewhere on here but without doubt its the best one to follow and whilst there is no narrative its easy to follow what is being done.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJa6z6e-a0


I was very unsure about stopping the roof mid movement but I left the engine running so that whatever controls these things didn't forget where the roof was when I stopped it.

Firstly I removed all of the plastic expanding rivets which hold the covers for the roof mechanism and the interior trim which covers the nearside bodywork. The remaining plastic trim cover is located behind part of the roof mechanism and is very difficult to remove unless the boot is lifted out of the way by opening and stopping the roof. Once this is done then the final piece of trim can be removed.
The electrical connection is easy to separate and you will notice that the part attached to the lamp is also attached to the inner body work but a gentle twist will allow it to be removed. On the light cluster that was fitted there were three 8mm nuts so once these are removed the assembly can be pulled inwards which releases the two fittings which are located into two rubber grommets on the leading edge of the assembly and outwards which releases the three studs from the bodywork.

I laid the original cluster alongside the one purchased from the eBay offshoot of Euro carparts at a cost of £130. It came with bulbs and a new gasket. On this item the gasket was fitted differently to the original in that it was clipped in place but was also held firm with four self tappers. It only had two threaded studs but did have to the two little fittings for location into the rubber grommets on the leading edge of the unit.

I am unsure whether or not my original gasket was fitted correctly because there are two slots which run around the gasket, one quite narrow and one quite wide. My gut instinct was that to get a tight seal I had to use the narrow slot. I coated the holes in the bodywork with petroleum jelly because this would help to ease the rubber into place and provide a degree of water resistance. I didn't fancy sticking any of these bits in place because that could cause issues if removal is needed later.

The slot in the gasket is roughly the width of the metalwork and because the new gasket was securely fitted to the cluster I had no choice but to put the assembly into place in one go. The two locators went into the grommets easily and the gasket itself took a degree of persuasion before it was in place. Using the petroleum jelly made a big difference to getting it all located but it was a bugger to try and grip the rubber. I used a very thin screw driver blade and my own finger nail to run around the inside edge to make sure that the rubber had gone into place. To be honest I did check the offside unit to make sure that I wasn't supposed to locate the gasket using the larger slot. Once this was all in place I put the two pieces of trim that cover the mechanism back and then lifted the roof to get access to the area behind the bar to replace the third piece of trim. Once this was done I closed the roof fully and re-fitted the remaining piece of trim which has one of the bulb access windows in it.

I re-seated all of the plastic rivets and the job was complete oh and I did check that the cluster was working before I fixed it all in place.

The lamp cluster came from the eBay arm of Eurocarparts at £130

Top photo shows old unit (top) against new unit. I have circled the fixing studs on both and the gasket securing screws on the new unit
Next photo shows the offending roof/boot mechanism bar which gets in the way of removing the final piece of trim
Next photo shows the old gasket with two slots marked. My instinct is to use the top one because this is the thickness of the bodywork
Next photo shows £5 worth of trim removal items
Last photo shows all of the trim bits

I also purchased a set of trim removal tools
The OEM plastic rivets were around £2.50 each and so just in case I purchased an alternative from Vehicle clips UK at a cost of £3.50 for 10 but in the event I didn't break any so I now have some spares

And as a final comment I have been finding water in the small plastic storage bit on the nearside of the boot. Whilst waiting for the bits to arrive for this little job I had put some sheets of kitchen towel all around the area so that any ingress would be easier to identify. After two days of really pissy weather the paper towels were all bone dry however when I opened the roof during the job process the little plastic storage bin was wet again. I reckon that its all coming off the boot lid, rear window and roof unit when its folding back into the boot storage area. There must be a moral to this and its either dont open the roof when its wet or wipe the roof etc down with a leather before opening.
 
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Top job mate :thumbsup: just one thing maybe worth just editing your post and putting the photos as full images I cant open 2 of them to enlarge them, other may have problems too?
 
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