Should keep our resident MOT testers happy, good move too.
https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/thes...SIX NEW DRIVING LAWS COMING TO EFFECT IN 2018
https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/thes...SIX NEW DRIVING LAWS COMING TO EFFECT IN 2018
New 2018 Laws.
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In general I agree but one thing here is this,
A car with dangerous faults cannot be driven away from the test until the repairs have been carried out.
Cannot be driven away?, testing stations have no power to stop anyone driving away whatever the fault and that remains the same as now. Nothing either to stop you having your vehicle trailered away for repair either.
Tony.
ps. I hope our front desk staff have had some training here, cos boy they're likely to have some problems. The DVSA should already be blitzing TV ads with this information but I've not seen a one yet, have you?
A car with dangerous faults cannot be driven away from the test until the repairs have been carried out.
Cannot be driven away?, testing stations have no power to stop anyone driving away whatever the fault and that remains the same as now. Nothing either to stop you having your vehicle trailered away for repair either.
Tony.
ps. I hope our front desk staff have had some training here, cos boy they're likely to have some problems. The DVSA should already be blitzing TV ads with this information but I've not seen a one yet, have you?
All is not as reported then?
so now they spot a broken spring, class it as dangerous and we have to spend £500 to get them to do it when we can quite well do it ourselves.
The Cowboys will be rubbing their hands together with everything classed as Dangerous ..
And what happens with the government MOT places that don't carry out repairs, they state they have no vested interest in failing you car to get work..
The Cowboys will be rubbing their hands together with everything classed as Dangerous ..
And what happens with the government MOT places that don't carry out repairs, they state they have no vested interest in failing you car to get work..
hope not....
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All these things are scare tactics a broken spring is currently an mot fail you can call it what you like if its broke its a fail .
The same goes for your link Andy
Reverse lights will only apply to cars built from 01/01 2018.
Cat or dpf removed already a fail as well special notice 01.14
there is some reworking and some new things but on the whole majority of it still the same
The same goes for your link Andy
Reverse lights will only apply to cars built from 01/01 2018.
Cat or dpf removed already a fail as well special notice 01.14
I presume that a failed MoT doesn't cancel a previous pass if within 12 months. It should though.
Surely, if you have been given a fail then you are in possession of an unroadworthy car even if the car still holds a valid MoT.
It used to be the case that you can only drive it away for repair and then directly to the MoT station. So, if you have an MoT failure and drive it anywhere else you are not insured either.
While MoT testers can't stop drivers from taking their car away - they could be given power to give the owner a statement regarding what they can and cannot do, and that the MoT failure details will be passed to their insurer by DVSA. It won't stop some, but maybe reminding drivers that they could because of their actions personally carry unlimited liability if involved in any accident (beyond that one allowed journey but even that could be dangerous) might make some think twice.
Should be no reason why a failed car cannot not be taken away on a trailer.
Surely, if you have been given a fail then you are in possession of an unroadworthy car even if the car still holds a valid MoT.
It used to be the case that you can only drive it away for repair and then directly to the MoT station. So, if you have an MoT failure and drive it anywhere else you are not insured either.
While MoT testers can't stop drivers from taking their car away - they could be given power to give the owner a statement regarding what they can and cannot do, and that the MoT failure details will be passed to their insurer by DVSA. It won't stop some, but maybe reminding drivers that they could because of their actions personally carry unlimited liability if involved in any accident (beyond that one allowed journey but even that could be dangerous) might make some think twice.
Should be no reason why a failed car cannot not be taken away on a trailer.
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You are right Ian
Technically speaking if you fail a cer that still has time on it then yes you have issued paperwork that says the vehicle is unroadworthy and then shouldn't be getting driven about irrespective of still having a valid mot .
Now here's where it starts to potentially get messy .
Say you have 3 weeks left today Ian you bring your car in it fails on x / y and z you take it away with the fail still 3 weeks on yiur old ticket if you get stopped say 2 days later you done no repairs as a lot of you know mot history is public database so the police then use the fail to provide the evidence that you previously knew about the defects and prosecute for unroadworthy vehicle.
But the other scenario is you fail the mot take the car away the following day you get all the repairs on the fail carried out but its going to be another 2 to 3 days before you can get back for retest but the following morning you get stopped ( bearing in mind you still have a valid mot just under 3 weeks ) i reckon the police would have a really hard time taking any kind of action against you
Messy area i think personally.
Technically speaking if you fail a cer that still has time on it then yes you have issued paperwork that says the vehicle is unroadworthy and then shouldn't be getting driven about irrespective of still having a valid mot .
Now here's where it starts to potentially get messy .
Say you have 3 weeks left today Ian you bring your car in it fails on x / y and z you take it away with the fail still 3 weeks on yiur old ticket if you get stopped say 2 days later you done no repairs as a lot of you know mot history is public database so the police then use the fail to provide the evidence that you previously knew about the defects and prosecute for unroadworthy vehicle.
But the other scenario is you fail the mot take the car away the following day you get all the repairs on the fail carried out but its going to be another 2 to 3 days before you can get back for retest but the following morning you get stopped ( bearing in mind you still have a valid mot just under 3 weeks ) i reckon the police would have a really hard time taking any kind of action against you
Messy area i think personally.
I'm not a Policeman, I'm a time served repairer of motor vehicles. I should not be burdened with anything like this. I NEVER, EVER get to see the person who brings the vehicle in for test, how can I deliver a statement of anything to anyone.
In my opinion State run Testing Stations will end up eventually being the answer to all of this, where you get a Pass/Fail certificate and you go away and repair the vehicle if needs be.
Tony.
The second point is interesting.
Technically, you can only drive it to the MoT station. However, if repaired and it is a roadworthy condition and you have a valid MoT, you are not breaking the law, or are you? The car complies with the law. However, the police couldn't at the roadside prove some of the failures to have been corrected. Only a new pass certificate can do that. So, to treat everyone fairly, they would have to charge either everyone or no-one in that situation.
It might be foolish, even pedantic to prosecute a tyre failure if the faulty tyre is now clearly legal. But most things are not easy to show without garage equipment.
Anyone in such a position should keep their car off the road until retested. Your insurer might simply tell you that because of the earlier fail you are uninsured except for the journey to the test station. Until you have the pass certificate, you still have a fail. It's in black and white.
Somebody gives them a fail certificate though. With that a reminder of how they stand legally should be printed alongside that notice. If it is clear that your rights and obligations are there, anyone choosing to ignore them does so at their own peril and in doing so assumes full unlimited liability. I wasn't suggesting the tester personally has to uphold the law - you've discharged your duty. Drivers have to take responsibility themselves. Many hide behind the "I didn't know officer" routine.
Anyone who is issued an M.O.T. Pass or Fail certificate should read it before laving the test station. Who does though?
So now, will the Insurance companies stand up and tell people how they stand in these murky waters, not a chance.
Tony.
A reminder of these obligations already exists though Ian. My point is that the people on the front desks of most if not all M.O.T. stations (unless they're an owner/operator) have no qualifications as regards being a tester or even being a mechanic ( sorry, Technician!) yet they will be the front line of telling people that they should not drive their vehicle away as it is in a dangerous condition, OH, but they already are.( and, believe me, they do not) They have taken the £39.95 or whatever it is and that the end of it, and in the retail world that is all it ever will be.
So now, will the Insurance companies stand up and tell people how they stand in these murky waters, not a chance.
Tony.