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Davyhoogy

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You testers out there.
Might be going to look at a 1.9 cheap as chips. It sounds like it's a non runner but I didn't realise you could pass an mot without an emissions test?
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Might be cheap but what will you need to put it right? Oil leak from where? If unable to test you may find if you get it running its a bag of nails for whatever reason. Could need a host of new sensors which cost an arm and a leg, as its false economy to buy cheap ones off ebay. Could well be a money pit at the end of the day. Engine may well be fixable, what about the body, check for rust. Body panels are bolt on and loads of used parts available and if your lucky in the same colour.
 

Davyhoogy

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I should have stated it's not a car to buy and run. It would be to part out. However I was curious about passing a car mot with no running engine and no emissions test.
 

colb

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It didn't pass according to the paperwork you posted, if the emissions test couldn't be carried out it was bound to fail as an incomplete test.
Its interesting to know a vehicle without a UK registration can be presented for testing using its Chassis number.
 

Stevo7682

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Dave no emissions carried out is a fail .
If you cant test for whatever reason thats a fail otherwise they'd be no point in doing them .
Also if the vehicle does not run most testers with any sense would refuse it .
I certainly would as there's various items that can't be tested without the engine running like emissions/ brake servo / power steering .
 

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You cannot test a car that won't start off the key and run. As Steve said you need the engine running to test servo working and for brake pressure test also brake efficiency rest and emissions . They may have done a test on the car as far as is possible, which is fine but would not give a "fail" sheet. We sometimes get a request to test a car to see if it's worthwhile, obviously not logged onto the system and faults written by hand.

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You have to admit @t-tony thats a pretty damming statement to put as an advisory.
I just re read it doesn't say it wasn't running
The advisory is that
Emission not carried out because engine not running correctly.
So basically what that tester has said is that if your car is running like a bag of spanners well hey thats fine just not bother to do emissions.
Then even worse put it on the mot and electronic history that you've done it what an idiot .
 

Davyhoogy

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Must of been a bit extra cash and I'll pass anything kinda garage!
They woman isn't replying anyway. I said I'd go get it today with cash but no reply.
Tut.
 

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Wow, that's horrendous that they could pass the car. I'd have expected a brown envelope to have passed hands for no mention of it not running properly... :bag:
 

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Oh, and the grammar... "not inappropriately insecuer" (sic) as far as I can decipher is that it's "appropriately insecure". Way too many double negatives for a 3 word phrase... =))
 

Neil Corfield

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You testers out there.
Might be going to look at a 1.9 cheap as chips. It sounds like it's a non runner but I didn't realise you could pass an mot without an emissions test?
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You cannot pass and MOT without carrying out an emission test. If the vehicle was presented as a non runner then the vehicle would not have been tested, or refusal to test. The sheet that you have displayed shows the vehicle has failed due to poor running and such that it would need to be rectified in order to carryout the emission test.

If the test station have passed any vehicles without emission testing then the would contravene the inspection and should be brought to the attention of the ministry.

As far as the rough running... that could be a very easy fix.

1.9L 8V - Check PCV.

Run engine to operating temperature and observe the engine tone, if it begins to run rough as it gets warm.
Try to remove the oil filler cap with engine running, if you felt resistance when attempting to remove the oil filler cap.
This could be a likely sign of a PCV issue. I have seen some emissions readings out of specification related to this. Fuel pressure reading slow and delayed and also EML light faults P141 and P171.

Neil
 

Davyhoogy

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You cannot pass and MOT without carrying out an emission test. If the vehicle was presented as a non runner then the vehicle would not have been tested, or refusal to test. The sheet that you have displayed shows the vehicle has failed due to poor running and such that it would need to be rectified in order to carryout the emission test.

If the test station have passed any vehicles without emission testing then the would contravene the inspection and should be brought to the attention of the ministry.

As far as the rough running... that could be a very easy fix.

1.9L 8V - Check PCV.

Run engine to operating temperature and observe the engine tone, if it begins to run rough as it gets warm.
Try to remove the oil filler cap with engine running, if you felt resistance when attempting to remove the oil filler cap.
This could be a likely sign of a PCV issue. I have seen some emissions readings out of specification related to this. Fuel pressure reading slow and delayed and also EML light faults P141 and P171.

Neil
The car was bought for parts but as far as the test goes, it states it was carried out and it did pass. With an advisory for no emissions test carried out.
 

t-tony

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The car was bought for parts but as far as the test goes, it states it was carried out and it did pass. With an advisory for no emissions test carried out.
That is definitely a big no, no !

Tony.
 
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