Looks like my decision to swop just got easier!

Paul Rice

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Had a very pleasant day at Lotherton Hall today with a few fellow zedders, even tentatively put a for sale sign in the Z3. Car had run perfectly on the route there giving me thoughts about parting in favour of the Z4.
On my return about 5 miles from home for the first time in four years the car let me down.
Sudden loss of power car stalled, re started clattering away with a maximum 2000 rpm available limped the car home stalling several times but re starting. Not sure whether the Cat has collapsed or the engine has called it a partial day, if thats the case may be selling a z3 in bits? But what ever looks like the Z3 has had its day in my ownership with the Z4 in the wings waiting to take its place. :(
 

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Hope the repairs are minimal - better to sell the Zed in running order?:)
 

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Could be a similar fault to what @handsomejackuk (Al) had a couple of weeks ago Paul. His car was very noisy but it wasn't terminal, he had it running for ZedFest.

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It's telling you that it doesn't want to be sold :whistle:.
 

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I think if Monty was poorly or not Paul the extra power of the Z4 would sway you anyway. Hope it's not to serious mate.
 

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Just put the fault finder on stating Exhaust gas problem on all four cylinders? Could this be the CAT again?
 

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Could be Paul, if it has broken up you should be able to tell by getting under it and tapping the car area or just behind, listening for a rattle.

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Mine did very similar a really loud banging clattering no power at all foot on the floor max 25 mph limped to a BMW indy the cat had broken inside blocking the system.
New cat and exhaust did the trick but it was only an aftermarket market cat and exhaust a geniune one was an arm and a leg.
Touch wood it's been ok for the last 18 months I know after market cats have the reputation of not lasting long but the price of a geniune was outrageous you could put an aftermarket one on every few years.
Hope you get it sorted with the least amount of hassle and expensive.
 

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Quite common for non type approved cats to last only one year I'm sorry to say.

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This will be my third in 4 years?
Wow :eek: that's a lot . Hope mines good for another couple of years yet with the cat. exhaust. fitting kit and Labour still wasn't cheap.
But less than a qualter of bmw cats.
I try not to over rev my car so hopefully it will last.
Hope you get it sorted.
 

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Could be Paul, if it has broken up you should be able to tell by getting under it and tapping the car area or just behind, listening for a rattle.

Tony.
No rattle from the Cat, Looks like it may be the Air Mass sensor its coming up on the Diagnostic as faulty. Hopefully here Wednesday so will fit and see if that cures it?
 

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Well Air Mass sensor fitted and car now ticks over bit low but still miss firing. Diagnostic now clear of Mass fault but now showing DME basic control unit (ECU?) Could this be its not in sync with sensor or does this now need replacing. Cars running better after a short run but still the misfire.
Any advice welcome. :)
 

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Seem to think Rob @mrscalex had a problem with corroded contacts on the DME Paul. Might be worth asking him.

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Seem to think Rob @mrscalex had a problem with corroded contacts on the DME Paul. Might be worth asking him.

Tony.
I did indeed. That presented as a misfire on cylinder 4 for which I had an error code. It was traced back to a corroded pin on the DME responsible for sending the firing signal to the cylinder.

Now for belt and braces safety you need to know the background. That was after an engine replacement with a known good unit. I bought the car with a hole in the sump where the old engine had self-destructed. Putting 2 and 2 together the fault on the DME was responsible for the old engine failing from unburnt fuel raising the compression. So this DME fault destroyed the old engine!

So be warned! Unlikely your engine is at risk but it would be wrong of me not to relate the story.

As a routine step (and everyone should do this regardless) disconnect the DME and inspect the pins. Disconnect the battery first before you start. It's in the plastic box back left as you look into the engine bay. It feels like a scary thing to do but it's easy. Study the connectors carefully to see how to remove them - difficult for me to describe. But you need to push the pins in to swing the lock back. Look for obvious signs of liquid ingress while you are in there.

There's no need to sync the MAF to the DME (well not on a 2.2 anyway and I doubt a 1.9 would be different). But the engine might still be trying to reset it's adaptations to the new component. It will do that by itself over a number of miles. I don't think that would cause a misfire and I can't see how it would cause the DME fault. Those 2 faults may or may not be related.

I suggest you post the specific DME error code up here and also google, google, google for people discussing it on other forums (usually BMW non-Z3 forums with same engine/DME). There are people on those forums who are highly knowledgeable with the DME and child modules. That's how I tend to learn. You'll be lucky if someone pounces straight on it here.

You could try swapping plugs round to see if the misfire moves (dodgy plug) but you'll need to know which cylinder the misfire is on first. I'm surprised there's not a separate error code for that. The other common faults are the coil pack and vacuum leaks. Look high and low for the latter and consider a smoke test. Most Z3s by now will have perished vacuum hoses somewhere unless already replaced.

DMEs do fail. And anecdotally it's not that rare. But it's not straightforward replacing them as they have to be carefully aligned to the car. So don't go there with that one until you have to.

The only other advice I can give right now is approaching it logically. When I had my misfire I was getting ready to start pulling injectors out etc. But then I said, hang on, this engine was fine in the donor car. It must be something to do with the DME or fuel supply system which were the only components left over from the build of the car as I bought it. So what might have taken me for hours or never got found from working through a list of possibilities was result much quicker from being logical.
 
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