Limited slip dif

Neil Wilson

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I spent most of yesterday evening trying to determine whether or not my March 2000 registered 2.8 may or may not have a lsd. I had assumed it hadn’t but I met a guy at a local car show that said as my car had a white eye level brake light and heated seats he thought it was probably a sport and therefore fitted with a lsd. I’ve just changed the dif oil and now I’m thinking I maybe used the wrong oil. How do I tell?
 

Zephyr

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Write your 17digit vin here
If is says “sport edition” and has the limited slip 25% option you probably have it unless it was removed previously.
 

Eddie Zedder

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Sport editions arrived 2001 onwards with 1.9, 2.2 & 3.0 engines, the 2.8 was gone by then.
 

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Thank you. I have option S209 limited slip 25% so I guess I need to change my dif oil again?
Its a torsen, any GL5 75W-90 will do, so unless the wise men of this clan have a different opinion, I wouldn't.
but I may be wrong.
 

Zephyr

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Why not, this is a heavy duty oil for lsd’s so why not?
But still, your’s is a torsen so go with whatever is cheaper. Torsens dont demand a special oil.
 

Mike Fishwick

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The 'Sport' models were just a cosmetic exercise anyway, but as with most styling exercises people tend to credit them with being a more 'special' type! I was once informed by the owner of a 'sport' 3 litre model that the (face-lifted) rear end and the little front spoiler made it more aerodynamic . . .

Most of the hype surrounding these models comes from magazine road tests and books such as that by Mick Walker, where we are informed that the 'Sport' models have an LSD - quite true, but they never tell their readers that the other models for most markets also had an LSD. I believe that Japan and Singapore were among the few markets where an LSD was not a 'standard option.'

Anway - as most models were fitted with a Torsen differential, which is an infinitely variable device, the 25% label is pretty meaningless, but it keeps some people happy - such as those sad folk who want to imagine that they can hang the rear end on bends, or perform silly acts such as doughnuts etc!
 
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The sport models was a clever way to milk the last drops of profit from the Z3 model range.
The Z4 was already in the production line, so what better idea than to make a “special” edition to get rid of whatever stock still in the warehouse?
having owned one, all I can say is that it did not feel any sportier (in fact it felt somewhat worse) from a non sport version with upgraded modern suspension and poly bushes.
 

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All 2.8's have an LSD, normally a Torsen type and even on very early 1997 cars. TorSen is torque sensing so it behaves like an open diff, locking up when it detects one wheel spinning. The oldest 2.8 I had, a 1997 R registration car had a Torsen diff and not an old fashioned 25% lock up 'plate' LSD. Torsen units I've seen are the bigger 188 diffs (medium case from the E28 and E30 325i), even 2.2i Sports.

The only plate LSD's I've seen were in early 1.9 cars. They are mega rare it seems.
 

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I have had my 2.2 Sport for fourteen years this month and I still have not received a definitive answer to my question about roller brake testing a car with a Torsen diff. Even the manufacturer seems uncertain. My MoT station takes the safe option of the Tapley meter and leaves the rollers to known open diffs.
 

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...I still have not received a definitive answer to my question about roller brake testing a car with a Torsen diff...
My 2.2 Sport failed the MOT last week with 'unbalanced braking across the rear axle'. New calipers and pads fitted and passed ok using the normal brake rollers. As Andy says the diff acts like an open diff untill it senses one wheel losing traction. Never going to lose traction on a rough brake roller.
 

Neil Wilson

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I spent most of yesterday evening trying to determine whether or not my March 2000 registered 2.8 may or may not have a lsd. I had assumed it hadn’t but I met a guy at a local car show that said as my car had a white eye level brake light and heated seats he thought it was probably a sport and therefore fitted with a lsd. I’ve just changed the dif oil and now I’m thinking I maybe used the wrong oil. How do I tell?
Thank you. I have option S209 limited slip 25% so I guess I need to change my dif oil again?
I’ve now checked with my local BMW dealer who confirm that the recommended oil for my dif is 75w-140. So just to be on the safe side I’ll change the oil to that recommended by BMW and Fuchs. Thank you for all the comments.
 

motco

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My 2.2 Sport failed the MOT last week with 'unbalanced braking across the rear axle'. New calipers and pads fitted and passed ok using the normal brake rollers. As Andy says the diff acts like an open diff untill it senses one wheel losing traction. Never going to lose traction on a rough brake roller.
You're probably correct but while my MoT man is nervous, I am nervous and the Tapley device is fine. It's due for a test next week and there was an advisory for light corrosion on the rear brake pipes so it's going on the ramps this weekend so I can have a look whilst clutching a can of Dinitrol!
 

Neil Wilson

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I’ve now checked with my local BMW dealer who confirm that the recommended oil for my dif is 75w-140. So just to be on the safe side I’ll change the oil to that recommended by BMW and Fuchs. Thank you for all the comments.
Quick update. I dropped the 75w 90 oil out and replaced with 75w 140 and I’m sure the dif is quieter now.
 

Ade33

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Could the learned folk here explain a couple of things to me please..I'm a relatively new owner of a 2002 3.0 Sport (yes the one with the extra dynamic front spoiler and the honeycombe grill that allows extra air though for engine cooling....)

So I've got a bit more confident with the handling just recently..It has something called DSC which I leave on all the time plus a limited slip differential as in this thread..

What does this mean in terms of handling...Does it make it virtually impossible in normal road conditions for the back to swing out taking a bend very fast?..I'd like to take it on a track possibly to investigate this thesis but not on the road....

What are the affects of the DSC system and also the limited slip diff on the handling of my Z3 as opposed to having neither like my Triumph TR6 (same config big in line 6 cylinder engine, rear wheel drive, no slip diff)
 

motco

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DSC saved my bacon once at 70mph on a wet concrete motorway when a car to my left suddenly swung towards my lane and I, instinctively, hauled a load of right lock on and immediately off again to move half a lane's width away from it. Without DSC I would very likely have gone into an unrecoverable fishtail and spin. It's brilliant. It will not, of course, defeat the laws of physics, but it will catch an inadvertent slide often. If you go on a circuit on a track day then switch DSC off or it will cook your brakes - my son discovered that on his Z4M Coupé.
 

motco

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You're probably correct but while my MoT man is nervous, I am nervous and the Tapley device is fine. It's due for a test next week and there was an advisory for light corrosion on the rear brake pipes so it's going on the ramps this weekend so I can have a look whilst clutching a can of Dinitrol!
Update: MoT passed with no mention of brake pipes, but comment on disc pitting on the rear. "You don't drive it enough!" Quoth he! :cool:
 
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