Emissions M44

Stevo7682

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Hi Guys time for a story that will get to a point 🤔 ( I promise)
When I bought Lynne's zed got it cheap as it had a number of serious issues but let's not diverse to much .
One of the issues was it had a bit of a major starting and running fault after a bit of diagnosis ended up with the cylinder head being removed and subsequently binned as it was cracked.
Ended up buying an 86k engine out a 318 is ( guy was taking out the 1.9 to put a 3.0 into this 1st gen compact.)
Anyway repairs carried out all well in the engine department cat was relatively new ( aftermarket) next mot a few months after engine just scraped emissions so just before the next mot checked emissions failing.
So looked at bmw cat even at trade price eye wateringly dear so put another aftermarket one on ( thinking original failed due to the engine failure) so no problem with mot emissions.
Following year struggling again do decided the problem was the aftermarket cats as OE equipment cat m44 seem OK.

As I still had the cat I had removed all the pipework was in decent condition I started to ponder solutions.
As the m44 is a pre face-lift model engine it is only fitted to pre 2001 cars so only Euro 2 which means unfortunately the aftermarket cats are cheap rubbish and can't keep the m44 under control.
So started thinking surely all I would need to do is fit a better quality cat more equivalent to the quality of a genuine bmw one.

So from Jan 2001 aftermarket cats have to be ' type approved ' and have to be of a similar quality to a vehicle original cat these cars are Euro 3 onwards so the plan was then to find a Euro 3 cat to cut and shut in during my searching another option came to light.

Found a guy in Germany who sells on Ebay he does a M44 cat front pipe with a Euro 3 type approved cat fitted.
Arrived well within estimated delivery time via Euro tracking by dpd.
So here is a few comparison pictures
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So front section a lot better designed y piece where the 2 become 1.

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You can't really see the best in the picture but the pipe bore is slightly larger from the y piece to the cat.

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The overall length of both bits is yhe same look different just because I had them sitting beside each other
The cat is a fair bit bigger and looks decent metal used.
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Cat stamped 103r type approved.

So had the cat in a couple of months done a Scottish zed run in it car smells so much better .
So took into work on Sunday done cat test on it .
For mot at fast idle co ( carbonmonoxide) , hc ( hydrocarbon ( unburnt fuel)) and lambda checked at idle speed it's just the co thats checked .

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So at idle and fast idle all readings well within limits.

Will keep this thread updated as to how this cats continued performance is .

Got a Lakes run coming up soon next report will be after that.
Stephen.
 
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t-tony

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Some very good info for 1.9 users Steve.

Tony.
 

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Mine struggles with emissions mot tester says put a bottle of cataclean in and then it passes
 

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You might get 2 years out of an after market cat if you're lucky.

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Trevor /chedder

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Hi Guys time for a story that will get to a point 🤔 ( I promise)
When I bought Lynne's zed got it cheap as it had a number of serious issues but let's not diverse to much .
One of the issues was it had a bit of a major starting and running fault after a bit of diagnosis ended up with the cylinder head being removed and subsequently binned as it was cracked.
Ended up buying an 86k engine out a 318 is ( guy was taking out the 1.9 to put a 3.0 into this 1st gen compact.)
Anyway repairs carried out all well in the engine department cat was relatively new ( aftermarket) next mot a few months after engine just scraped emissions so just before the next mot checked emissions failing.
So looked at bmw cat even at trade price eye wateringly dear so put another aftermarket one on ( thinking original failed due to the engine failure) so no problem with mot emissions.
Following year struggling again do decided the problem was the aftermarket cats as OE equipment cat m44 seem OK.

As I still had the cat I had removed all the pipework was in decent condition I started to ponder solutions.
As the m44 is a pre face-lift model engine it is only fitted to pre 2001 cars so only Euro 2 which means unfortunately the aftermarket cats are cheap rubbish and can't keep the m4r under control.
So started thinking surely all I would need to do is fit a better quality cat mire equivalent to the quality of a genuine bmw one.

So from Jan 2001 aftermarket cats have to be ' type approved ' and have to be of a similar quality to a vehicle original cat these cars are Euro 3 onwards so the plan was then to find a Euro 3 cat to cut and shut in during my searching another option came to light.

Found a guy in Germany who sells on Ebay he does a M44 cat front pipe with a Euro 3 type approved cat fitted.
Arrived well within estimated delivery time via Euro tracking by dpd.
So here is a few comparison pictures
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So front section a lot better designed y piece where the 2 become 1.

View attachment 220355
You can't really see the best in the picture but the pipe bore is slightly larger from the y piece to the cat.

View attachment 220357
The overall length of both bits is yhe same look different just because I had them sitting beside each other
The cat is a fair bit bigger and looks decent metal used.
View attachment 220359
Cat stamped 103r type approved.

So had the cat in a couple of months done a Scottish zed run in it car smells so much better .
So took into work on Sunday done cat test on it .
For mot at fast idle co ( carbonmonoxide) , hc ( hydrocarbon ( unburnt fuel)) and lambda checked at idle speed it's just the co thats checked .

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So at idle and fast idle all readings well within limits.

Will keep this thread updated as to how this cats continued performance is .

Got a Lakes run coming up soon next report will be after that.
Stephen.
Do you have a link to the eBay seller. I'm having a similar problem thx
 

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Do you have a link to the eBay seller. I'm having a similar problem thx
This is what I have purchased been on since March doneca Scottish run and Lakes and Dales run in it and its still doing its job I had already replaced the cat after rebuild of the engine ( due to head failure cracked think due to been run with cooling system airlock) got cat from a trade only motor factor so can get same stuff that Ecp gets but bit cheaper but cat didn't last git though mot after rebuild but couple of months later back to smelling rich again so decided as OE BMW cat over 8 times the price needed to try a better quality cat so came across this guy who did a direct fit with a 103r type approved cat as my original plan was buy better cat weld it in.
So this is still doing good at the moment so that's all I can tell you about this item apart from overall quality of welding flanges etc much better than ECP or similar aftermarket cats.
Stephen.
 

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Wish I had found this thread sooner !! We just replaced the CAT on my sons Z3 after failing MOT. Tester was being nice and although emissions improved, they were still marginal, but he passed it with no advisories.

This is the one we bought. https://www.cats2u.co.uk/bmw/6192-b...converter.html?search_query=BM90418&results=4
If you look down the spec list you will see the cat is listed as being Euro 2 in itself nothing wrong with that as z3 m44 is euro 2 the problem is the aftermarket euro 2 cats are just not good enough for the m44 heavy emissions output .
Genuine Bmw one will be far higher quality but about 10 times the price so until I came across this guy in Germany my plan was to cut and weld in a euro 3 or possibly 4 ceramic cat in its place.
Then I found the guy on ebay who does a m44 front pipe with a Euro 3 cat fitted so I am trying this to see if better long term solution. ( so I cannot say how it will last as I only had for 3 months but built build quality looks good
So far the signs are all good and the cat is still functioning well after 1500 miles on it.
Stephen.
 

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Hi came across this forum so just joined, i love These forums as the knowledge base is fantastic .
sorry to resurrect an old thread with my first post but.
Stevo7682 did/does this cat still perform?
Reason I ask I am looking at a z3 1.9 failed mot on emissions, read lots on cheap cats not being very good new and rubbish pretty soon after. If I was to buy the z3 it would be uneconomical to buy Oem cat so this one would be a good alternative. The car I’m looking at seems to have had the cat changed just over a year ago as it failed the previous mot on emissions before being passed and now when running it has the exhaust rattle.
Thank you
 

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OP's car musta been through another MOT since. I assume cat was 'still' ok otherwise je'd have mentioned it?
 

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Any updates? My cat is still rattling very loudly, no intention of paying almost £1300 for a BMW replacement so either I put up with the rattle or find a cheap replacement. If I can find the time my mate has a breakers so I may call with him to see what cats of the proper Euro requirement can be welded in to my Z3's pipe.
 

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Hi @TriumphZ3 i have just bought z3 m44 with failure of mot on emissions and rattling cat. So I’ve ordered the cat suggested above. I will post update as and when. But engine not getting warm so suspect thermostat stuck open. But exhaust is so tinny need to change anyway.
 

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Thanks Rhek; I spoke to my scrappie-owning mate last night and his solution was to split the cat, remove the innards completely, reweld and refit, and the engine should pass emissions anyway without it. I think for some reason I'll give that a miss. He claims he told me when we both viewed the car that the CAT was rattling, but I remember it more as the 'exhaust was rattling'. In any case worse scenario is a BMW CAT at £1280 + add-ons, all else is a bonus.
 

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If you remove the content of a Cat, you’re removing the Catalytic converter itself. It won’t pass a test.

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