Crankcase ventilation.

macdon

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Hi, I have a 1999 2l Z3 with an M52TU/B25 engine. With the engine fully up to temperature and ticking over smoothly, removing the oil filler cap slowly there is a slight vacuum and the tick over becomes rough. Closing the cap returns it normal smooth running.
Could someone please tell if this normal with this engine?
Many thanks.
 

motco

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It was normal with my 2.0 litre EFi Ford Granada. The fumes are drawn out of the crankcase into the induction system and replaced with fresh air sucked in through vents in the filler cap (on my Ford anyway). I assume it is tuned to expect a particular degree of resistance which drops very significantly if you remove the oil filler cap.
 

Richard29

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I think that is normal. It was the same on my previous 2l and on my current e91 3.0
 

Zephyr

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I was puzzled about this also and mentioned it in a thread somewhere.
it appears that it is normal, unless you have a very strong vacuum like this guy in the video attached. Further down in the comments one guy gives a definitive answer (some vacuum but not that much) as I checked with my trusted bmw technician.
View: https://youtu.be/vODpt5b2DsM
 

macdon

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Many thanks for your replies, I will carry on enjoying driving!
 

colb

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Yes quite normal, these engines rely on a complete sealed vaccum system to run correctly. Any leaks in the system across the engine will affect the cars running as unmetered air entering and being picked up in the exhaust sensors will affect the running, usually lumpy idle manifests itself. What is really happening is that the extra air getting in will not have passed through the Maf and be measured, when the extra air is picked up in the exhaust by the lambda sensors its reported to the engine management module and that detects the mismatch between Maf and exhaust readings as the car running lean. To correct what it sees as a lean condition it commands more fuel to be injected at the injectors to richen the mixture. It will continue doing this until it reachged about 20% more fuel, if it fails to correct it the EML will be lit up on the dash to draw attention to the fault. Code reader at this stage will usually show up as high fuel trims.
Diagnostics showing live data of the fuel trims is useful to diagnose for air leaks, high readings are usually down to air leaks.
Tracking down the leaks by checking for holes and splits in all the rubber intake hoses and vaccum lines should be made visually and replace any duff ones found. Also check the rear of the intake manifold where there may be rubber blanking plugs that have split or fallen off their unused vaccum ports. Dip stick O rings have also been known to fail as well as plastic cam covers that develop cracks and crumbling as the plastic ages from repeated heat cycles. Certain way to test for air leaks is a smoke test, doing that can reveal leaks you cant find with just a visual check.
 

macdon

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Many thanks for such a comprehensive message. All appears to be well at the moment but I will check the pipes and manifold plugs. Thanks again.
 
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