Collinite # 845

Southernboy

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I've been looking at waxes, their benefits and comparisons to polishes.
So first thing I discovered in the reading is that a polish is an abrasive. It actually removes a fine layer of the clear coat in the process of application and buffing. This is really great if you have swirl marks or extremely fine scratches in the surface, although a clay bar might work equally well at removing those swirls without all the effort of applying a polish and then buffing the residue off.
Next- Synthetic polishes will provide longer term protection than any wax. A really good synthetic will give you around 6-8 months of protection vs around 4-5 months for a really good wax. If you're the type of person who doesn't enjoy waxing 2 - 3 times a year, then a product like Meguiar's Ultimate polish will be a good choice.
However, there's still the issue of the polish actually stripping of clear coat molecules - are you okay with that is the decision to be made.
So, now to the wax job - The best wax is Carnauba. Everyone seems to be in consensus on that score.
The problems generally associated with waxing is the labour involved. We all like to do the job, but if it takes hours and hours and at the end of the job your body feels as though you've been at the gym for the first time in years, it might dissuade you from waxing. There are waxes like that on the market.
So I had a look at the top 10 waxes and polishes that were rated this year. On the list was a product called Collinite No. 845. Doesn't sound quite as glamorous as Mother's or Meguair's or any other number of well advertised brands. It sounds almost "industrial", and so it should since it was initially developed for aircraft, marine applications and machinery. Given those credentials, one would expect the product would be difficult to work with. I had never come across it before, so I dug deeper. Some reading material revealed that it has been around since the early 1900's. Also I discovered that it is considered the best kept secret by professional detailers. But what totally blew me away was a short You Tube video demonstrating it's application to a car and the end results.
First off it needs to be warmed up to get it to be a liquid. In cold weather it is a thick paste. successful application is based on the "less is more" principal. Very thin coat, and buff before it is fully dry. So, small areas at a time - the bottle recommends 2' x 2'.
The research claims by users, agree that it will provide exceptional protection for up to 5 months - conditions dependent.
In the video, it was shown to have superb hydrophobic properties, and the "beading" was minimal since the bulk of the water just ran off the surface. I noted that it was applied to the windshield in the video, which was a little puzzling, but perhaps it is applicable.
It is 100% wax with some petroleum distillates added to keep it in paste form. It contains no abrasives - strictly a wax.
I have now bought the stuff, and also a bottle of the Meguiar's Ultimate polish. In another article, it was suggested that the car surface 1st be polished with a product such as Meguiar's, and then waxed.
So, this looks like a 2 weekend job - 1st stage, wash and polish, 2nd stage, wash and wax. There-after, I will just wax since the polish should be sealed under the wax for at least a year, and perhaps two.
The grand description on the somewhat humble plastic containers boasts " For Automotive, Marine, RV, Aeronautical and Industrial use" - It describes itself as a "Heavy duty paste" and an "Insulator wax". Apparently it was used as an electrical insulator wax back in the day.
If anyone else has used this product, I would welcome their comments.
 

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I use it for about 2 years now since and only just finished a bottle.
I wanted easy to apply and this is so the car get waxed when I’m the mood - it’s probably had 10+ coats over the last couple of years. Also did the wife’s car with about 4 coats which finished off the bottle.
I use it on the alloys too.

Makes cleansing with a pressure washer and snow foam easy - the dirt really slides off it.

It very rewarding especially on a dark car as the appearance is instantly improved after a quick wax so makes less of a chore.

Last week it got a quick coat:
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Interesting about the windows, might try a side window and see if it helps the dew run off in the morning. I would thought it would smear if you use wipers but maybe the idea is not use the wipers as it will just run off with the wind.
 
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In my experience poorboys paste wax is better and easier to use
 

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I did look at that, but not convinced...
Here's a pic of the reflection of my garage roof in the bonnet of the car - this after a polish with Meguiar's Ultimate, and then the Collinite.... and no flash needed...
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I used Blitz Wax, an American wax from Frosts in the UK, excellent product but was out of stock so tried Collinite 475 loaned to me to try by @Bozzy. It appeared identical to Blitz wax. I rated it so bought some but went for Collinite 915 which has an even higher carnuba content. With no abrasives you can layer it to build a deeper coat. Easy to apply, easy to buff off. To see the superb finish I use masking tape to produce a straight division and wax one side and buff up, take the tape off and compare the finish to the non waxed side. Think it must have one of the highest carnuba content of any wax. Comes in a bigger tin, 12fl.oz (c. £29) instead of 9fl.oz for collinite 475 so is no more expensive than the 475 version. Got it from Derby in person, they advertise on the net but can't remember their name offhand, @Bozzy will know. Good stuff and lasts yonks and yonks and....
 
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I used Blitz Wax, an American wax from Frosts in the UK, excellent product but was out of stock so tried Collinite 475 loaned to me to try by @Bozzy. It appeared identical to Blitz wax. I rated it so bought some but went for Collinite 915 which has an even higher carnuba content. With no abrasives you can layer it to build a deeper coat. Easy to apply, easy to buff off. To see the superb finish I use masking tape to produce a straight division and wax one side and buff up, take the tape off and compare the finish to the non waxed side. Think it must have one of the highest carnuba content of any wax. Comes in a bigger tin, 12fl.oz instead of 9fl.oz for collinite 475 so is no more expensive than the 475 version. Got it from Derby in person, they advertise on the net but can't remember their name offhand, @Bozzy will know. Good stuff and lasts yonks and yonks and....
You must mean Shop N Shine in Derby Adrian ?.
 

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That's the one Steve, like a sweet shop for waxes, got so excited I needed a tiddle =))
 

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That's the one Steve, like a sweet shop for waxes, got so excited I needed a tiddle =))
Haha, the lads in there are really helpful as well. As you said, there's so much cleaning and polishing equipment and products in there it's mind boggling.
 

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Not waxed the Fiji 2.8 yet, it's still got the wax Jimmy used on it which he told me to keep quite about - which admittedly does look bloomin shiny!
 
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Not waxed the Fiji 2.8 yet, it's still got the wax Jimmy used on it which he told me to keep quite about - so in a whisper and small text he uses Meqeuirs NXT generation tec 2.0 which admittedly does look bloomin shiny!
I agree, the fiji certainly shone well at Tony's meet up.
How is Jimmy?, just wondered if he has a Z4 coupe yet.
 

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Heard from him 2 days ago, looks like he's leaving the zed scene and going the Lotus Elise route instead :( he'll be a loss as he's a thoroughly decent chap - hey ho.
 

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Fascinating read and great to have some of the product hype peeled away. :thumbsup:

One thing we mustn’t do is mention any of this to @Andy McDonnell - he’ll go apoplectic :whistle:
 

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Fascinating read and great to have some of the product hype peeled away. :thumbsup:

One thing we mustn’t do is mention any of this to @Andy McDonnell - he’ll go apoplectic :whistle:
I resemble that polished remark. I wax lyrical about this stuff =))
 

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Great write-up, thank you.
A couple of questions though. What is the difference between the Colinite 845 and the 475?
and, there are so many different products on the Meguiar's site, is the polish you suggested the Meguiar's Ultimate Polish Pre-Glaze, or something else, please?
Now I have my ultimate Z4, which is 'Deep Sea Blue', I want to keep it in top condition! Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated.
Many thanks for your time and effort:thumbsup:.
Colin. (nothing to do with 'Colinite'!)
 

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Only one point to remember
A polish polishes the surface by removing molecules of clear coat.
A wax doesn't remove anything - it shines.
So, a good polish to get a clean surface of paint, and then wax to protect it.
If you use a good wax, you don't need to polish again.
Meguairs Ultimate Polish is the best - The pre-glaze is a tad harsh since it is just that - a "pre-glaze" not a pre-wax.
Glazing is the term often used in place of "Polish" as a product description.
Hope this clarifies your choices a bit..
 

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Many thanks! If I had not checked with you I would have gone ahead and ordered the 'pre-wax glaze' instead of the ordinary polish!
Colin.
 
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