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Now these are really confusing back in the day a 325i had a 2.5l petrol engine and a 330i had a 3.0l


Now 318i is -------------------- 1.5l 3 pot
320i is --------------------2l 4 pot
330i is -----------------2l 4 pot
340i is --------------------3l 6 pot

same for the diesels
 

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So tell difference between the 320 and 330 is what?
 

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just the engine map and probably turbo size and injectors.

3.0l diesel even more confusing

in my 5 series
525, 530 535 540 and 550 all use the same 3.0l engine the first 2 are single turbo and next 2 are twin turbo and last is triple turbo from 200 hp up to 376 hp and massive torque up to 740 Nm
 

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God its ridiculous! Why don't they just do the obvious? Mercedes are no better. Must be a German thing.
 

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It's just a car selling thing Dave. Some of these modern cars with 3 cyl engines have good performance, they just sound awful. No difference from back in the day when I worked on Massey-Ferguson tractors, the 3 cyl engine ones were reasonably powerful but just didn't sound "right".

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Ye but if I want a 330 BMW I want a 3.0 BMW! :mad:
 

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So tell difference between the 320 and 330 is what?
10 :whistle:

Just have to suspend your knowledge and expectations Dave. The world moves on leaving the likes of us stuck in the past.
Engine performance and emissions have changed and improved dramatically in recent years. It's becoming possible to get a vast range of performance from a single relatively small unit using a combination of mapping and turbos. Economically using one block is a massive benefit for the manufacturer. Gone are the days of big engines except in top end cars. One size fits all.

If anything it will continue at an ever faster rate. I expect hybrid technology will be used alongside smaller and smaller engines to add further options and complexity - that is until Tesla take over the world. The number will be increasingly an expression of power not of engine size (or cost!). The world changes and becomes more complex wether we want it or not. You can't fight it.
 

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I heard through the "trade" a while ago that allegedly AUDI won't be making diesel cars after 2020. Hybrids are the future like it or not. I followed a Nissan Leaf out of town this evening.

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I heard through the "trade" a while ago that allegedly AUDI won't be making diesel cars after 2020. Hybrids are the future like it or not. I followed a Nissan Leaf out of town this evening.

Tony.
Funny you mention that Tony. A Nissan Leaf went up the hill as we were heading to the car park in Lyme Regis on Wednesday. Not the prettiest of cars.
 

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Unless you use hydro or wind or solar or nuclear energy the electric cars are a scam in terms of saving the planet or GREEN energy. There is an incredible amount of energy wasted producing electricity and having it delivered to a house or business [up to 75% I believe]. Really, you might not be using fuel in the car you are just using the fuel from burned in another part of the country - at an incredible waste. Yup, it got me 'started'. :)
 

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Unless you use hydro or wind or solar or nuclear energy the electric cars are a scam in terms of saving the planet or GREEN energy. There is an incredible amount of energy wasted producing electricity and having it delivered to a house or business [up to 75% I believe]. Really, you might not be using fuel in the car you are just using the fuel from burned in another part of the country - at an incredible waste. Yup, it got me 'started'. :)
Before I start I am well - :offtopic:
In many ways you're right.
But - There are many aspects that need to be considered. It isn't clear cut.
The efficiency of electricity generation and distribution is around 25% - 30% in total for fossil fuel based generation. Only 40% of input energy is recovered in steam turbines. That's the biggest loss.
Wind and hydro is up in the nineties but then you have to offset the infrastructure costs.
However - Diesel engines are only 30% efficient (that's discounting the losses incurred in getting the fuel to you).
Petrol is even less efficient.
Electric motors are very efficient, but, overall I guess centralised power generation and use in cars is marginally more efficient than petrol & diesel powered cars. This discounts the losses in extracting oil, refining it and getting it to the petrol station.


The main cost and losses in electricity generation from fossil fuels is keeping the plant running at low load. Technology will help load balancing enormously allowing more flexible and efficient ways of using available power.
It's all a very complex set of issues, especially when you look at the small scale.
Renewable has to be the way to go. Those that don't want the blight will have to pay four times the cost for their electricity. Recently 40% of our power was generated using renewables. Because we can't store energy anywhere else it actually makes sense to store it in cells in cars. Norway has sufficient spare renewable power capacity they could afford for everyone to run electric vehicles and provide the power for free.
 

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@Redline I was just going to say similar about energy efficiency but you beat me. The other additional costs are the production/disposal of the batteries. Environmental will win as the drive to reduce pollution in cities grows and point of pollution moved to rural areas where most power stations are built.
The arguments will keep many employed for years to come.
Pure electric are great in cities but the current 30 to 40 mile range has limits so mix of electric and chargeable systems will probably take over.
Us old codgers still need to hear a petrol engine on song though.
 

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I heard through the "trade" a while ago that allegedly AUDI won't be making diesel cars after 2020. Hybrids are the future like it or not. I followed a Nissan Leaf out of town this evening.

Tony.
Can you really see that happening Tony? They've inputted billions into diesel technology, I can't see any manufacturer turning their back on it anytime soon.
 

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Well I just got a 2009 BMW 325d vert.apparently it's got a 3ltr lump in it.
As to single.twin or no turbo aint got a clue.
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OK another spanner in the works. I thought back then a 325d was a 2.5. A 330d was a 3.0 and a 335d was a 3.0 twin turbo! :confused:
 

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Can you really see that happening Tony? They've inputted billions into diesel technology, I can't see any manufacturer turning their back on it anytime soon.
The whole VAG have, but it's not taking off in the Americas , Europe is the main diesel market. You have to make a break at some point and no doubt there will be huge tax incentives and more for the one who starts the rush to electrically powered cars. Still 4 years away but it would not surprise me if something along those lines starts to happen by then mate. They will still produce electricity by coal, shale gas or whatever, it'll just move all the smog out into the countryside.

Tony.
 
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